Question:BapDada, what is all about?
“Many things in the bkworld and the reasoning I am able to understand like trying to increase the ego,contrasting and contradicting things baba says in the murli, the various rules and discipline they advise to follow etc.I would love to understand your experience of ‘Bap Dada’ or Baba Milan….what it is all about…from your ‘new’ perspective…?
Apologies for such a long rant…:D”
Thank you for your well elaborated question.
I can only speak about my experience with BapDada from the time I was a BK. Here is an article I wrote a few weeks ago about it.
As I mentioned before, Brahma Kumaris is a path for “self-realization,” but it is not the “only true path.” As a matter of fact, it could be only part of someone’s journey as it was my case. Every journey is different.
Yes, Ahnanda sees from a different perspective. That is your question relating to, but I cannot answer that, for there are many BKs who need to go through the BK experience without yet another belief. It is not a matter of coming with another opinion, belief or “truth.” Every single one of us has to discover that.
Just as you have experienced in your journey. You explained that you did not read any of these writings until recently even though you have been receiving these writings from a long time; similarly, every BK follower needs to experience their own process. It doesn’t mean that “I have the truth,” NO! That is a misleading word, once you realize that our journey is very personal indeed.
To be able to fully take benefit of the BK path as any other path, you may need to be 100% into it. If you were a “pukka” BK, you wouldn’t be reading these things. You could only have the openness to read these things if you aren’t completely satisfied. BK knowledge calls that as “having doubts,” but there is a huge difference between mental doubts, which could be pacified with “answers,” and feeling unfulfilled. That is where inner honesty becomes important.
As mentioned before, the BK path from my experience; is about increasing the ego, which is necessary before its dissolution.
For those without the experience of ego, they may think that ego is about those things which make you feel “good” such as: “You are a deity, you are a true Brahmin, you are a selected son of God, you are angel, you are an ancestor soul, etc.” But ego also increases in the opposite side, as when someone feels “bad” because they didn’t wake up for Amrit vela, ate meat, had sex, watched mundane TV programs, etc. The labels then will change: “unworthy child, Silver/Copper age soul, cremator, shudra, etc.” That is a way to increase ego as well through the opposite side.
Times have changed. Nowadays everyone could have different information about different religions and compare those teachings. In that, they may appear contradictory, everyone has their take on what God is or isn’t.
That is why it is difficult to be 100% in a particular path to feel its full effect… and that is something that every religion will warn you about: “Don’t listen to anyone else but us.” That is until you are unfulfilled.
The mind, the intellect could prevent us from experiencing the “ego trip” which is necessary for our development.
For instance, I recall some intellectuals saying: “I don’t know how those people can join a cult and do everything they ask them to do. They don’t have a bit of discernment, critical skills…”
Intellectuals do not understand the experience. I wouldn’t have joined the BK movement unless I had an experience with something unknown to me at that time, which my education and mental skills couldn’t explain. That was my experience with Brahma Baba. At that point, I surrendered my “critical skills,” which only help protect the ego, the persona, that “I” created through my beliefs and ideals.
As “avyakt7” I had wonderful experiences with BapDada which helped me go through the BK path. As Ahnanda, I do not need those anymore, just as a child grows up and goes out of his father’s home.
Finally, I am not writing here to ask anyone to leave the BK movement. I am not here to ask you to stay either. I now see, that I am writing here to express my experience with inner honesty. The importance of not lying to ourselves. That is all.
Intellectual knowledge is good, but not enough. Once we learn everything there is (knowledge) we need to unlearn it, to BE by getting out of the mind. That is the way of Life, the process, the journey.
What I think, what you think is not what is important; but to be aware of our journey.
For the common good.
vageeshverma 3:52 AM on June 29, 2016 Permalink |
Beautiful article ! Though you didn’t share your ‘personal’ take 🙂 But it doesn’t matter…
Probably have learned to see the unity and contradictions together…and rather then questioning it…marvel at it 🙂
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avyakt7- New Generation 10:12 AM on June 29, 2016 Permalink |
🙂
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vageeshverma 3:01 AM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
Hi Ayakt/Ahnand ??
Don’t understand your fancy names !
Read your article on “There is no fulfillment in the mind” about the intellectual/philoshpher, agree to most of it and also felt as if it was directed at me 🙂
But just a question : Who are you ? an intellectual or philosopher or ??I know these are just labels, what comes closest to defining your writings?
You say “A strong experience, something intense will change a person.” or in other words Life has to be lived not thought about intellectually, totally agree.But then why do you write incessantly, article after article…daily, multiple blogs…whats your motive…a livelihood or you think repeating the same things will make us all finally understand what you have experienced ?
Please take it politely though it may not sound because of the type of question.
Regards
Vageesh
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avyakt7- New Generation 10:33 AM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
For some, I am an intellectual. For others, a philosopher. For the ones who truly know me, I am none of those labels, but a life walker sharing his experiences.
My “motive” is to share my experiences. I don’t know “why” I write incessantly. Perhaps, I have too much free time in my hands…. 🙂
Oh… one more thing. These writings are not for you or for me… for us, all of us… whoever has free time to read them.. 🙂
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vageeshverma 1:01 PM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
Do you know yourself truly?
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avyakt7- New Generation 2:26 PM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
Truly I know …that “I” am not.
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Shalini Bajpai 9:39 PM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
What do you exactly mean when you say “i”
am not..
‘i’ is used to denote our own self, ‘you’ to the person in front of us, ‘he’ to a third person..
what is your point ?
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avyakt7- New Generation 9:43 PM on June 30, 2016 Permalink |
You will find out when “you ” are there. Right now observe how much you want to understand Life and being through words.
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Shalini Bajpai 3:55 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
I replied to your text…but i wonder its not yet appearing here..
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Shalini Bajpai 3:57 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Is my text not reaching u?
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vageeshverma 2:23 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Shalini the point is that what you have said is true for practical purposes…as a method of identification but we tend to carry the same feeling in our minds…as if ‘I’ am just myself..separate from anything else…existing almost in isolation and limited to just’I’…if you observe deeply you can see the unity of everything and that ‘I’ that we think exist actually doesn’t….sorry for being so contradicting and confusing..:)…just trying my best to express that feeling
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vageeshverma 2:23 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Due you carry the above feeling always ?
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vageeshverma 2:26 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
This one is directed to Avyakt …the comments sequence is pretty confusing
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ahnanda 11:34 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Does it matter to you? Why?
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vageeshverma 12:11 PM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
It doesn’t matter to me much…just a curiosity if tht feeling stays…( the seeker or greed inside me talking probably)….secondly u dismiss something as neo intellectual…at the same time indulge in something similar…. stands out … showing a bit of lack of compassion…which is strange… probably not inline with your writings…just checking is it something i won’t understand now or is there a lack of honesty or transparency on your part……hehe.
.i know a stupid question:)
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ahnanda 1:47 PM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Ah! A life mystery. Opinions will remain, debates could appear, perspectives, points of reference … As the sage said”curiosity killed the cat.” Once the cat is gone, so it is with curiosity. 🙂
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Shalini Bajpai 6:40 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
As we know that we are souls, must have been an oppossite gender in some other birth..
so want to know if “romance” which is the desire of every heart is an illusion?
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vageeshverma 10:37 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Sorry for posting a neo intellectual link… its not an answer to your question… probably the more’ learned’ or ‘ unlearned’ ahanada can answer that…listen to it if you enjoy it :
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ahnanda 11:33 AM on July 1, 2016 Permalink |
Do you know that we are souls or you just believe that we are souls? Big difference.
If you knew, we were souls… then to know that “I am not,” will make lots of sense… You want to know if romance is an illusion.. You will find out once you know if the one having the illusion, is an illusion or not. 🙂
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Shalini Bajpai 10:26 AM on July 2, 2016 Permalink |
Vageesh, what do you mean by saying have started seeing unity and contradiction together..
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vageeshverma 12:59 PM on July 2, 2016 Permalink |
Shalini was trying to refer to the various opposites…right and wrong…white or black we tend to be struck in…though they may not be opposites…but may be like a circle….both incomplete without the other…anyways leave it…just be happy :)…if u have lot of free time….listen to this alan watts link for spiritual entertainment 🙂
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Shalini Bajpai 10:32 AM on July 2, 2016 Permalink |
I realise im a soul atleast when i do my occasional meditations.
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avyakt7- New Generation 11:34 AM on July 2, 2016 Permalink |
Really? If you didn’t know the label “soul” what would you call that realization?
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