Question: Evaluating BapDada through human eyes.
“The teachings of BKs projects that BapDada is the only being of light. There is also a promotion given to some selected senior BKs as advanced party once they leave their present body. It looks like BapDada hides the fact of existence of other beings of light from children or may be the senior administration of BKs modifies the original murlis to suit to the masses. I think for you, the experiences with mathias (a being of light manifested through a tree) has provided a better understanding of drama. From your experience, is there any other organisation/system in the world which is presently running under the guidance of a being of light?”
Thank you for your question.
I wouldn’t be able to share this writing in the other blog (Exploring the Depth of Living) but I can do this here, because most reading this are somehow connected with Brahma Kumaris. A reader from the other blog, seeing this could say: “You are not telling us the truth. You are withholding things. You are not honest. You are not spiritual.”
Readers from the other blog are not ready for the eternally predestined Drama. Even though, I know the Drama to be “true” I cannot share this openly but in bits and pieces. Similarly, hard core Brahma Kumaris followers are not ready for some of the things I share in “Exploring the Depth of Living,” because their belief system does not agree with what I share.
Here is what I learned from this: “Truth” does not matter. Consciousness does.
Brahma Kumaris is a method and to disclose something that will not make the method effective, will beat the purpose of the method. In that method, BapDada is not a being of light (Brahma Baba) but the combination of “God with Brahma Baba.”
The Drama/Life “has selected” particular individuals to fit into the Brahma Kumaris’ method. I was one of them. Method for what? To increase ego for many. Self-realization for a few.
The method was good for me at one point in my Life. Without it, I wouldn’t be where I am now. Thus, to blame BapDada or anyone working for the method, is to overlook the benefits of what the method has brought.
Granted, this method could be used in abusive ways by some people, nevertheless; as we know; whatever happens is what has to happen. We learnt that at Brahma Kumaris. If you fought against it or supported it, is not relevant; what is relevant is to be aware that whatever is going on, is what needs to be. Everyone expresses their role, we label them as “right or wrong.” It is irrelevant. Our petty morality does not define Life.
“Beings of Light” is a label used for some beings who have specific tasks. What these tasks could be? In my experience, to preserve the Drama as it is meant to be. If a person has experienced the full range of experiences (through many lives) that Life can offer, then this person is ready to leave the physical realm and perhaps continue on with a subtle role. Beings of light will help that individual through that transition. That is all.
That person who is going through the transition may appear as “spiritual” or “gifted” to others. That person is transitioning.
Brahma Baba was an example of that. However, for many BKs this is an opportunity to worship Brahma Baba or to enhance their own egos by a sense of belonging to this ‘holy’ person, rather than learning and being inspired through Brahma Baba’s experiences.
Many groups or religions claim to have a being of light as a head of their organizations. I cannot say if that is true or not, as the subtle world has many different kind of beings, some helpful to human development, some challenging; for they are concerned only with their own agendas. That is the danger that Brahma Kumaris knows about and thus, it is sparing the “children” from this knowledge in their method. (after all, they are children.)
Therefore, a being of light has a particular purpose; although we may call them “Gods” “angels” or whatever label. Once their task is accomplished, they go on with their business, they are not looking for recognition or followers, that is human stuff.
In my experience, a Being of light will only give the necessary tools to someone according to time and according to the needs of the human they are helping transition. That is why many “enlightened” individuals appear to have different “teachings.” The beauty is that the “teachings” that they may share are necessary to the people that they will relate with in their paths. We are all connected. Thus, as we can see; it is not about having the “truth” for everyone will have a different perception, a different take, but rather, having a changing Life experience which will change consciousness.
That is why, when some accuse Brahma Kumaris of “lying,” they do not realize what the method represents. Even though, BKs may say that they have the “truth,” now you may see; that this is just the “method.”
Want a date for destruction? Observe how it changes. Oh! They are lying!! No… That is the method. There are many individuals who need to go through that particular method, so dates need to change. Brahma Baba will contact some of them.
These people will feel special, unique, blessed, etc. That is the beginning of their journey. It is good! This is a great chance to solidify ego: “I know God. I have the truth. You don’t. I am special. A mouth born Brahmin, not a simple lokik Brahmin. Listen to me. I will teach you.”
Please see that Life is not about complying with human understanding or pathetic human value systems, it is not about the so called “truth.” Again, “truth” is a perception. There are facts based on a particular referential perception. Humans believe that human perception, truth, is the highest standard. It is just a perception.
Life offers experiences that will change your consciousness. Do not judge the method that Life offers for that. Consciousness is what matters.
Whatever path you feel to be good for you, follow it wholeheartedly. Now, you know that it does not matter whether you are in the “right or wrong” path. What matters is to go through the experience. We can call it “good experience or bad experience.” It does not matter….Consciousness will keep evolving through the whole range of experiences, that is all. This is why the Drama is benevolent for all, but conditioned humans are mentally stuck with their little “truths.” Wah Drama! Wah Life!
For the common good.
ahnanda, 
vivek, 
Brahma Kumaris and Beyond - Avyakt7 
Anil Kumar 10:12 AM on February 28, 2017 Permalink |
avyakt7-NG,
Thanks for the well explained answer.
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ex-l 5:24 PM on March 28, 2017 Permalink |
I wonder who are you referring to when you write, “when some accuse Brahma Kumaris of “lying,” they do not realize what the method represents”.
I often, quite rightly, accuse the Brahma Kumaris of lying because they do. They are phenomenally dishonest and without much sense of ethics.
But I think you are confusing two issues here, ‘lying’ and ‘making false predictions’. I see the two as quite separate.
The BKs’ god spirit most certain did make numerous false predictions and many, many false or exaggerated claims (amongst other offences to true spirituality) … but I would not class them as “lies”.
What I would class as lies are when the BK establishment hides or covers these up and makes their usual mishmashes of plain and simple true, like Kirpalani’s date of birth, their history, etc.
Let’s agree that there are two basic categories of lies;
knowingly stating that which is not true, and
lying by omission
The BK leaders, and many senior BKs and BK centre-in-charges, are absolutely guilty of doing so – and much more – as they are guilty lying about their beliefs and intentions to VIPs and outsiders.
One could go on …
But, can I ask you, is it really enlightened to accept this as acceptable under the guise of it being a “method”.
I might agree with you if you were to define it as the method of a confidence trick but you still appear to upholding it as a valid spiritual path, rather than a confidence trick.
It’s easy enough to remove the BK from BKism, but a little hard to remove BKism from the BK.. Many individuals, including myself, go through an apologetic phase before facing the reality …
We were conned.
At what level would that put the BKs’ god spirit?
Thank you.
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ex-l 11:16 AM on March 29, 2017 Permalink |
I think it might actually be a valid and useful exploration to discuss what constitutes the nature of “lies”, dishonesty or deception, and their place within spiritual practises.
I picked up a copy of a BK publication the other day and, for me, it started with a lie or deception, one of the BKs’ usual ones about “Raja Yoga being the most ancient path”.
I don’t know where you would draw the lines between lies, general dishinesty or deliberately deceptions … or how responsibility for repeating them is passed on by the followers. I am open to discuss this.
I think Buddhism really outstrips BKism in this area with its 4th precept “I undertake the rule of training which consists in abstention from false speech”, defining false speech as “abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech”.
Not just with the precept itself but also in its approach to its basic precepts (which contrinue to be applied at a more and more subtle level as the adherent continues on their path).
BKism, for me, has become “The Art of Lying” …. more and more subtly … to make money and gain social status putting on a pretense of spirituality. Much of the attention and control within the cult, at an individual and corporate level, is focused on just this … the control of “the message”, the control of personal expression and so on.
In essence, one … adherents … are judged on their willingness to accept and conform to the lie, and to repeat it.
Is this good method?
With regards to dates of Destruction, the current corporate lie for that is, “Baba has never given a specific date for Destruction”. This is repeated ad nauseum by adherents as a defence to anyone question and exposing their god spirit’s failings.
How do we define something like that … a half-truth, a half-lie, or a willful deception, a misleading of other souls away from the truth?
One of the interesting findings our independent research brought to like, was that there was no God Shiva in the religion until sometime after 1955/1956. The much repeated 1936 “Shivoham, Shivoham” story was a … absoutely lie. The story of the early days and the cause of the reaction against has been extensively falsified. The implications of our understanding of their claims and practised are huge, e.g. no god Shiva to remember during the beggary and retreat period to “purify” themselves.
Was the covering up of that “method” or deception to defend their egos, plain and simple?
I think we also need to define what is “method”
Thank you.
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avyakt7- New Generation 4:42 PM on March 29, 2017 Permalink |
I wanted to acknowledge your comments. They will be answered next Tuesday in a post. Thanks!
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ex-l 4:02 PM on March 30, 2017 Permalink |
Just to frame discussion, I offer a link, taken quckly at random, on “Right Speech”.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca4/samma-vaca/
For me, what would define “method” would be a conscious awareness of the method. I don’t get a feeling of that from general BKism.
Rather to the contrary, a culture of mindlessness has been engendered, summarised in Dadi Janki’s old “don’t think, don’t question” line.
As to the “spiritual status” of BapDada, it’s interesting to see the opinion within BKism being moved towards reintroducing the “Piyu” channelled being of the early Om Mandli, and equating it to the voice and singular identity of ShivBaba/BapDada.
I wonder if one can really do that, or wether it is just another laywer of deception and manipulation?
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vivek 1:29 PM on April 5, 2017 Permalink |
Hello..I think you taken the mutual contract..To contradict BK knowledge and to spread malice against them…U actually deceptive against BK knowledge which once uplifted you …Now u have spreading your so called wisdom..Through your blog.. u r the real traitor.. . Avyakt 7… If possible comment on this openly…
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vivek 1:36 PM on April 5, 2017 Permalink |
U r the one who once explaining daily Murali….Proving people how 5000 year cycle possible by collecting tons scientific data.. now u r contradicting the same which u haven proven. U r contradiction in yourself ….
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avyakt7- New Generation 4:13 PM on April 5, 2017 Permalink |
Thank you for your comment. Sometimes I wonder if language is a “good” tool for communication. 🙂
In your perspective, I am spreading malice towards BK. I am spreading my so called “wisdom” and I am the real traitor.
I once explained daily Murlis, how 5000 years’ cycle was possible… and now, I am contradicting myself. Correct?
I wonder what makes you think that way?
I wonder if you have read the reason behind this blog. It is not because I wanted to tell the “truth”. It is not because I have malice against Brahma Kumaris, when in fact I have said that I am thankful. I am writing here because I was asked to share my experiences.
Nevertheless, I am no longer a BK, just as I am no longer a College student.
You want to know why?
My consciousness has changed.
Where is the malice? Show me.
I am contradicting what I have proven, you say. What I have proven, I ask you?
To say that the 5000 years is possible and to show scientific data to back that up, is that “proof”? To explain the Murlis with my experience back then, is that proof?
My consciousness now has changed, just like a child changes into a teenager. Shall I continue to believe in dolls and Santa Claus just to make others happy? Just so I cannot be called a traitor?
My experiences have changed. Shall I ignore them and believe in the same?
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vivek 12:35 AM on April 6, 2017 Permalink |
I regret for the strong words..I have used..But Everytime u say u r just sharing your experiences..But deep inside u may not understand ..U r actually trying to disprove someone else..People are living with BK believes…And i think they are happy…Why to tear them apart..I agree u r experiences and your knowledge really terrific …I respect your ingenuity…An u have the authority with u r knowledge to go inside brain….So use is it wisely…I may not be one who can advice you…But understand it is really depressing for someone to raise once their believes are broken… Thanks
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ahnanda 10:45 AM on April 7, 2017 Permalink |
Vivek,
You are free to read the posts here or not. I am not pushing anything on anyone. Reality is, that there are people happy with BKs and those who are unhappy too. That is Life. There are some who believe in your beliefs and some who do not. At the end, we believe what we belief in, that is great…but let us not call that the “truth.”
All the best Vivek.
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