Question on the meaning of Bapsaman
Am I love ?…please tell me how to make that or feel it a reality. Do I have to be SOUL CONSCIOUS to Feel that I am love??? Also it is just impossible to become AAP SAMAN unless I have had the same /exact experiences you have had to bring you in your present state .Why does the Murli say you have to make others aap saman also baap saman???How do I go about it?
There is no recipe for BEING Love. That is not something that a man can tell to another. Otherwise, only 1 book about becoming Love could have been necessary for the whole humanity, and there hasn’t been any yet, despite “best sellers.”
Why did you add that it could be necessary to be soul conscious to be love?
That has no meaning.
If I say, “yes. It is necessary.” Your mind will be satisfied for that is an expected answer, but you will be unfulfilled. You will not know where to start.
Love is for you to experience, when it comes in your path. This is not something to “achieve” or to “practice.” Just be AWARE when that happens.
That mentality of trying to “achieve” something spiritual or some virtue, is what needs to go away, for that very same “effort” to achieve is the greatest obstacle in experiencing it.
WHY?
You have already an idea of what love should be. You want to achieve your idea of love and not allow for love to manifest to you according to what you ARE now.
As you pointed out, you cannot be equal to me, unless you had the same experiences.
Thus, when BapDada tells his children to “make others similar to you,” he hasn’t been specific, so it is up to every child to figure that one out. Perhaps it just means to make a BK out of others. Maybe not.
The potential for that phrase to be an ego-booster for every BK child is there, as most will believe that they are the “sample and the example,” (paraphrasing another BapDada’s phrase) for others to follow.
A BK child needs that (Kudos from Kudha) to be able to follow his ascetic Life style.
Similarly, BapDada gives a “goal” for the child to achieve: Be “equal to me.” (Bapsaman.)
Even though, he knows that every BK child is “numberwise.”(According to gyan.)
Some BKs believe that BapDada means to be “equal in his virtues,” but for most BapDada’s virtues are only seen on a video or when they go to Madhuban and see BapDada live.
It is in a relationship, when you see someone in action, when you could appreciate those “virtues.” However, that is the experience of few BKs.
That is why the BK system relies on what a Dadi says or a senior, as they may have greater experience with BapDada.
Of course, this is second hand knowledge. To talk about how loving BapDada is, will not change the way a BK child is. This BK child will try to copy the particular loving “action” that someone else described. Just so this child could be called “loving.”
Nevertheless, before the action (DOING) there is BEING.
BapDada is love.
A BK child may not be love, thus his actions even though the same as BapDada’s, will not make the BK child into Love.
Consequently, what truly matters is to be AWARE of who we ARE at every moment rather than “making effort” to copy someone else’s actions.
The Murli besides “giving gyan,” is meant to increase the BK follower self-esteem. It is meant to praise the BK child and to build his self-esteem, by making distinctions and separations; although it will increase the follower’s ego. But that is not bad at all, for ego only decreases once it has reached the utmost increase in size.
As mentioned before, the BK system does an excellent job in that “increase,” that is why; it is an important journey of some seeker’s path. It was for me.
For the common good.
Christopher joseph 7:10 AM on October 31, 2017 Permalink |
Thanks for your love. And thanks for the knowledge of ( No I ) No I also makes me think of the beginning of my existence 🤔😊I didn’t have a choice to exist was there something or entity who wanted me the No I to become an I and exist or did I exist by coincidence 🤔 I have seen enough of this beautiful world and If the repeat cycle is true then there is nothing Unlimited. (¬hing new) so my priority is not to exist ever.Lets hope I didn’t exist by coincidence 🤔😊
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avyakt7- New Generation 9:29 AM on October 31, 2017 Permalink |
Thanks for the musing. That will be the topic for the next article. 🙂
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Christopher joseph 7:35 PM on October 31, 2017 Permalink |
Waiting patiently for next topic as I feel addicted to your inspiration 🤔😊……Love you😊
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avyakt7- New Generation 7:49 AM on November 1, 2017 Permalink |
This “love” thing is interesting.
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Christopher joseph 7:36 PM on November 1, 2017 Permalink |
I’d like to thank the one who predetermined it 🤔🤔
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Gayathri 8:52 AM on November 1, 2017 Permalink |
Dear divine family,
Om shanti.
Let us go a bit deep into the topic – “Who am I” ?
“A soul.”- is the answer. 🙂
They say, “Pahale Khud ko jaano, baad mey Khudaa ko jaano.” (Know about yourself first, and only then you may be able to know about God.) And i see the logic in that statement. It is like – we have to first learn to stand on our own feet properly before we could learn/ perform a dance.
Ok, Shrimat says that every kalpa repeats itself identically and even a minute/ small change can not happen in the drama script. This drama has repeated itself infinite number of times and its script is fixed second by second…. agreed? Any questions? 🙂
Shrimat says, “The part of 84 births is recorded in the soul.”
Every soul, every element, has its role/ roles predetermined in this eternal drama, is n’t it?
Even though we do not know what would happen in the next moment, actually there are no surprises, drama follows the karma theory meticulously and each and every moment in the drama has a firm basis, a concrete reason to unfold the scenes in a particular way.
According to shrimat – For ex: All my roles for a kalpa have already been fixed, each and every thought that triggers my words and actions are fixed, all my relations and friends of every birth in a kalpa are fixed irrespective of whether i am aware of them or not.
It is like I the soul am a cassette in which all my roles are recorded and when i am placed in a cassette player (body), my words and actions get expressed. Without a cassette player (body), i am dormant, can not act, and only when i take up a body according to the time in the drama script, do the roles that i have to play ‘get played through me’.
A cassette player can not take the credit of the songs that are being played through it as once the cassette is removed, the song stops. And the ‘cassette’ can not take the credit for the song that is being played from it as it was an ’empty cassette’ before the song was recorded on it. And only when it is placed in a cassette player and when it is switched on, will the songs be heard from the cassette. And the cassette can not change the songs/ speeches that are recorded in it on its own.
In the same way, the soul will not be able to change its role or its sanskars which are pre – recorded; the sanskars keep changing only according to the drama script and is not based on the person ‘making effort’ or not making effort as there are factors from the past which also add to the happenings of the present moment. And even those past actions were the result of the predestined drama. That is the reason why we see some very intense effort makers, despite decades of practising Raja yoga, failing miserably and a few other people getting quick results for their efforts.
In short – we the souls have no control over the roles that are being played through us. Our roles go through various experiences which take us through the eternal journey of constantly changing sanskars.
In other words, “I” am mechanically performing the same actions which “I” performed every kalpa and and am reaping the same fruits that are destined to happen. Yes, many times it feels as if we have taken a particular decision after meditating a lot about it… But if each moment in the drama is fixed, how could I have ever taken a ‘decision’ based on ‘my own’ judgement? Every so called judgement is predestined!
Whenever sakar Baba or Avyakt Baba was questioned about some senior BK leaving his/ her body ‘abruptly’, Baba used to give the same reply, “It is fixed in the drama, Baba can not change it.” If that is the case, (if Baba Himself can not change the destiny), how can we ever ‘change’ / ‘create’ our destiny by making or not making effort? Can the future/ drama be changed? Are n’t we performing actions accurately as is defined by the drama no matter what our intentions are??
How can we label a particular ‘soul/person’ good / bad when all that the person is doing is just obeying the drama script, knowingly or unknowingly? Actually, it is the other way round, it is not that he/she is performing the actions, it is the actions that are being carried out through him/ her; he/she is just a medium. 🙂
Shrimat says that Drama is benevolent. Baba, the Ocean of Knowledge, the Ocean of Love, says that He loves the Drama and that it is accurate.
Our moral standards, principles, customs, traditions, beliefs, etc. change from place to place and from time to time. We can not take any given belief as the global or eternal standard; Drama does not follow, does not work on the basis of man made rules and his beliefs, Drama follows its own course.
Though we may feel that we have made intense effort and have brought in certain changes… but in reality, those thoughts, the effort making, etc are all predetermined. Just sit back and check – are we ‘creating’ our thoughts, or, are they flowing through us spontaneously? Remember that those thoughts are the basis for our words and actions too. In the drama, it is not just the words and actions, even the thoughts which are the basis for them are predetermined.
For a long time we were under the impression that we can ‘change’ our lives, we ‘create’ our thoughts, etc. Actually, it is the other way, the soul is an empty pot which holds all its roles and the roles get expressed through us irrespective of our approval or disapproval.
Then who am “I”? I am a soul which has absolutely no control over its roles!
I am just a conveyor. Then, the questions of being a very elevated soul or a less elevated soul, or creating my fortune by making effort do not arise.
“Then what are we supposed to be doing?” – one may ask.
Baba tells us again and again, “Children, be a detached observer and perform actions; drama is predestined and is eternal and it repeats itself accurately every kalpa.”
Some incidents in the drama made me wonder initially as to why i was involved/ impressed by them till i understood the predetermined drama.
In my case, in this present role, according to drama – my father wrote my horoscope in a book when i was 6,7 year old and kept it safely in his shelf. Sometimes he did tell me a couple of points like – i would become very wealthy and very spiritual, but did not reveal anymore details.
i come from a lower middle class family and i was not at all religious, nor traditional, nor did i pursue any spiritual path till i was almost 40. So, at times i used to laugh whenever i remembered my father’s predictions.
When i was in my college, i happened to meet an astrologer who gave me some important details of my future. i was fascinated by his predictions but still laughed at them; my circumstances, life style, etc were nowhere any close to his predictions, nor did i try to make any effort to attain the things that he predicted; and with the passing of time, i almost forgot the whole incident.
But to my amazement, things just started to happen the way he told me, and i did marry a relative of mine as he predicted (who also came from a poor family), and i did become quite wealthy (by Indian standards) in a matter of few years as my husband got a very good job in an International organisation… .. but still, i was leading a very worldly life and was neither religious nor spiritual. Exactly as he predicted, my spiritual life started with a bang…i started to have visions of the angelic Brahma Baba in the year 1990 and eventually grew very close to him…In 1993 i happened to take the basic course… and then on my life has undergone enormous changes.
These experiences coupled with some experiences of my friends and relatives made me understand that the drama is predetermined which takes its own course without any conscious effort from our side. We are like a puppet and the drama makes it happen through us.
Brahma Baba also used to say that we are all bound by the drama including Shiv Baba.
Shiv Baba tells many times that He will not interfere in any one’s karma. But some BKs with their old sanskars of bhakti keep repeating, “Do not worry, Baba will help you, Baba will take care of you, Baba will change your husbad, etc.” And we have seen Brahma Baba, Mamma, quite a few seniors of the past and present suffering a lot from some illness or the other. If it was Baba’s duty/ role to help his children, He would have helped all the souls who were suffering.
Whatever we are going through at the moment is accurate and is beneficial..
Understanding the drama is a very very important factor in the subject of Raja Yoga. Knowledge of Drama is not mentioned in any scripture other than shrimat. So, let us understand and use this knowledge and develop a clear vision.
May you be knowledge-full and trikaldarshi and remain constantly happy and content by knowing every secret of the drama.
The children who are knowledge-full and trikaldarshi can never become upset (naaraaz). Even if someone defames or insults them, they would still remain happy (raazi) because those who understand every secret (raaz) of the drama cannot become unhappy. It is those who do not know the secrets who become unhappy. Therefore, always have this awareness: if you are not happy having become a child of God, the Father, then, when would you be happy? Those who are happy and content now are close to the Father and equal to Him.
Om shanti.
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avyakt7- New Generation 11:10 AM on November 1, 2017 Permalink |
Thank you for your article. It is very rational, convincing and it has your own experience in it to support your words. If you go deeper, you may see that even though you say “we” are conveyors or detached observers (As Baba said,) there is nothing to call “we.” There is the Drama and that “we” or “I” is part of it, not separated. The drop of water of the Ocean is not separated from the Ocean unless consciousness of that separation exists. In “reality” there is no drop of water. That is just a human perception.
Therefore, “we” already ARE what “we” ARE looking to achieve through spirituality, tapasya, rituals, pujas, etc. It is just that “we” are not CONSCIOUS of it.
That is the journey. From sleepiness to awaken-ness.
Until consciousness IS, we only have beliefs. “We” ARE not what we understand. thus, what is the utility of mental understanding of “spiritual” things?
Just to inspire. :-). I will post your article next Tuesday, before going on vacation on the 8th.
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Gayathri 3:06 AM on November 2, 2017 Permalink |
Dear Avyakt 7 NG, yes, an ocean is not created by adding drops of water, it has been existing eternally as one entity whether or not new drops of water got added to it from rains and rivers. There are many drops of water, but still, it is one ocean.
That sounds good as far as the ocean is concerned. But, we the poor souls are subjected to various pleasant and unpleasant experiences in life.. that does not look fair or lucrative. 🙂
Got your point, since all the ‘drops of water’ / souls are participants of one single drama called LIFE, we do not need to ‘work’ for achieving something or becoming something. The drama will automatically take us through various stages, and one day we may touch the “NO I” stage and then again slowly run into the “I” stage in the cycle of LIFE.
Whatever you may say, brother, life has not been that enjoyable these days for me.. 🙂
Funny drama, this one has no ‘delete’ button nor ‘fast forward’ button. And these churnings make me crazier. 😦
But there are some nice points too to feel nice about the drama though … i do not need to toil, do not need to achieve any thing; instead, ‘success’ will come to me on its own. 🙂
[“What is success?” – Being happy all the time. 🙂 ]
I know, some people may ask me whether i want to be an escapist and/ or lead a life of laziness and carelessness. But actually, if i really, completely believe in whatever i have shared till now, i could lead a very carefree life… i am still in the process of convincing my mind in different situations where i am at the ‘receiving end’. 🙂
Will share those things in another mail.
Thanks.
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Gayathri 4:16 AM on November 10, 2017 Permalink |
From a message on internet:
Drama & our roles
New York is 3 hours ahead of California, but it does not make California slow.
Someone graduated at the age of 22, but waited 5 years before securing a good job!
Someone became a CEO at 25, and died at 50.
While another became a CEO at 50, and lived to 90 years.
Obama retires at 55, but Trump starts at 70.
Absolutely everyone in this world works based on their Time Zone.
People around you might seem to go ahead of you, some might seem to be behind you.
But everyone is running their own RACE, in their own TIME.
Don’t envy them or mock them.
They are in their TIME ZONE, and you are in yours!
Life is about waiting for the right moment to act.
So, RELAX.
You’re not LATE.
You’re not EARLY.
You are very much ON TIME, and in your TIME ZONE Destiny sets up for you.
In conclusion, don’t rush to get and don’t be sad if things turn out to be slow.
God makes all things beautiful in His time.
Stay blessed!!!!
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Christopher joseph 6:12 AM on November 10, 2017 Permalink |
Thanks sweet Sister Gayathri”That was Very consoling ” Thanks” and enjoy your journey making it beautiful with”zero expectation ” 🤚stay Blessed 😊
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Christopher joseph 8:22 PM on November 1, 2017 Permalink |
*****like 😊Dear sweet soul your article made me churn a lot .according to the belief of the prerecorded cassette/drama all actors have to play their roles whether they like it or not and depends on the producer director and story writer of the drama who predetermines your role.Also to churn that a villain also has to get payed for his/her role.also I have to believe I am not responsible for the role I play for my role was already chosen.😊🤔 ….very convincing. 👍Thanks and Love. ……………..Om Shanti (*)
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Gayathri 3:10 AM on November 2, 2017 Permalink |
Thanks brother for your encouraging words. I have expressed my feelings about this ‘not so interesting drama’ in my reply to Avyakt7 NG just a while ago which appears above your message.
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Christopher joseph 9:46 AM on November 2, 2017 Permalink |
Sweet sister another thought entered my mind.First of all I came into existence as a pure Soul and did not force my self into existence.My earthly father did not make me for sure.What is that which gives me the role of 84 births or 72 births or 60,50,40-2-1 birth.If I was born in the house of a rich man or a religious man or a beggar or a thief my life would be shaped accordingly.Also I am pure when I first came into existence.(karma not yet started) and have to be given a role.On what basis is my role chosen.Could you or Avyakt 7 NG or any bk/ex bk reading this blog give me a suitable answer/advice. (*) …waiting for replies 🤔🤔🤔😊
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Dinesh C 4:30 AM on November 3, 2017 Permalink |
Hi Joseph, it’s nice to know that there are few more souls like you who don’t want to exist ever, I too thought same after experiencing momentary “No-I”, but Ahnanda has advised me to find and confirm few things, he neither agrees nor he disagrees.
And regarding which role you get in the drama is mostly decided by the “efforts” you make according to Srimat of BKs, but those efforts are also predestined, basically you are not the “doer” MAY BE only an experience. Things are happening when you have the idea of “Doing” efforts, and NOTHING is happening if you are “NO-I”. But Drama is happening 🙂 Om shanti 🙂
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Christopher joseph 7:11 PM on November 3, 2017 Permalink |
Sweet brother as you say the role I get depends on the effort I make.🤔My effort also is based on the role I get.also remember I came into existence as a pure unbiased soul If I was given a role of 84 births my efforts would be different than if I am given one birth and the family I’m born in.My saying “Wah drama ” as bk gyan tells us is meaningless as the drama doesn’t have a writer.When my role is enjoyable my gratitude goes to the director and script writer of the DRAMA.😊😊😊
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Dinesh C 12:52 AM on November 4, 2017 Permalink
Dear Joseph, the knowledge of drama as thought in BK gyan is to bring the “No-Mind” to some extent, not completely though. There is one article by Ahnanda on this page on the same topic.
But let me ask you one question, did u not exist even before coming into existence, in the point of light form in the supreme abode, I think by exixtence you only mean the drama existing on earth, existence is beyond and unbounded, they have a lesson on three worlds shown within the boundary of egg shaped structure, is there anything beyond the boundary that they have shown!!
Well bro I am seeker now, I thought I have got that what I wanted with BKs, so seeking, what am I seeking, don’t know! perhaps enhancement of spiritual experiences 🙂
Om shanti 🙂
But just a suggestion, I used to debate a lot with people for topics on spirituality but that is just to prove your Ego higher than other person, so I don’t encourage debates for myself now 🙂
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Gayathri 9:43 AM on November 4, 2017 Permalink
Dear divine family,
Om shanti.
The other day, some one brought up the topic of ‘making effort’ / purusharth. Here are some points. Please share your experiences too. 🙂
What effort do we have to make?
A. Slowing down thoughts?
Some feel that we have to slow down our thoughts so that we could experience a higher level of consciousness.
Can we really slowdown our thoughts consciously? NO.
The speed and quality of our thoughts are based SOLELY on our current level of consciousness. And the level of consciousness can not be changed by ‘preaching’ the mind, or following certain disciplines, or by leading a disciplined life; our consciousness is quite subtle and can not be influenced by physical actions or moral teachings. It undergoes changes by going through certain deep experiences and realisations. Intellectual understanding of things alone can not change our consciousness.
When we check ourselves, we notice that we do not need to make any effort to ‘create thoughts’, but ‘ready made’ thoughts pass through our minds. 🙂
In other words, thoughts ‘get created’ / formed before they ‘enter’ the mind of the ROLE played through the soul. 🙂
Yes, sometimes we focus on our thoughts and try to ‘create’ new ones by using certain logic and ultimately get satisfied when we arrive at some decision/ thought. And from then on, again, we find the thoughts ‘flowing through our minds’ without us making any effort to create them or by observing them.
When we analyze the process, we realise that whatever ‘logic’ we have used for a few minutes to channelise our thoughts, it was also TOTALLY based on our level of consciousness.
And the so called ‘channelisation of thoughts’ using some sort of logic also had happened ‘spontaneously’ based on our level of consciousness and the ONLY extra component that was present in our ‘logical thinking’ was that we were conscious of the thoughts that were flowing through our mind. 🙂 The thoughts that flow through the mind/ soul are all PREDETERMINED in this predetermined drama.
How to do service with the mind?
Whatever level of consciousness we possess at any given point in time has its own level of vibrations. They spread in the atmosphere based on their capacity and intensity.
When we give sakash to any particular person, we are channelising / focusing our vibrations to that soul/ person. That is how the other person receives it more than anyone else and can even experience receiving the sakash. We can give sakash to many people too, but how much we could serve through the mind depends on the LEVEL / capacity of our consciousness.
The power of sakash does not depend on our desire to serve, nor on the pressure that we may apply on our mind to serve the world; but it depends on our stage, the level of our consciousness.
I had the opportunity to meet some senior BKs who could give us the experience of bodiless stage just by glancing at us even when they were doing some physical work. But quite a few of us have to prepare ourselves, get ready to stabilise our mind, be silent, then focus on some one, in order to give drishti/ sakash. 🙂
Can we bring changes in others and in the self by doing service with the mind (through manasaa seva)?
As explained earlier, our thoughts, words, and actions depend on the level of our consciousness at any given time. When a change occurs in the consciousness, there will certainly be a change in our thoughts, words, and actions. But it is not vice – versa. That is, of course we can not change our thoughts, they are ‘ready-made’, but by trying to change our words and actions we can not change the consciousness.
For example – we see some people who adhere strictly to their own religious beliefs, preach very good things everyday to students/ followers, lead a very pious life; but their sanskars remain the same even after many years of following a spiritual path. Why is it so? 🙂
Doing things can not change one’s sanskars or consciousness.
They may be very ardent lovers of GOD, but their love is exclusively reserved for God (and not for co human-beings) because they hope and believe that God would appreciate and acknowledge their love for Him and would help them in their hour of need.
And even teaching and preaching spirituality is done to attain blessings from God (thinking God would be happy with his/her ‘altruistic’ service), and also that they would get respect and adoration from the students/ followers.
But when we watch their behaviour, we notice that they continue to compete with others, get jealous, angry, arrogant, harsh, etc. even after many years of leading a spiritual life.
So, in spite of ‘doing’ so much Godly service and leading a rigorous religious life, performing very good actions, one’s consciousness does not change until and unless that person goes through a series of experiences and realises and understands the change that is needed in him. This could take a few months, years, or a life time.
Will continue on some more points in my next mail.
Please share your thoughts and experiences too.
best wishes & regards,
Gayathri ben.
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Dinesh C 5:25 AM on November 3, 2017 Permalink |
Really nice and wonderful explanation sister 🙂
I recently became an OSHO lover, you might have heard about him, and I have mentioned him many times here on this blog, not for promoting him, but the closeness which you have felt for Brama Baba, I am currently feeling that for Master Osho, Rajneesh.
There is one lecture of him on “Witnessing”, where he explains that the day he was completely out of the body, he could witness this world as a mare “DRAMA” and nothing else. Well, a lot of problems from psychological prospective are gone from my life because of just this one understanding that “DRAMA is there, but “I” am not there, and when “I” am there, DRAMA is not there”. Thanks to Ahnanda too 🙂
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Christopher joseph 5:00 AM on November 4, 2017 Permalink |
Very rightly said sweet brother Dinesh🤔😊(we are sailing in the same boat)and bk is the part of the journey which is necessary but it is not the end “just take the best and ignore the rest🤔😊(I pictured myself like a donkey walking with a carrot tied in front of him with a stick tied to him)on the JOURNEY TO THE UNKNOWN. I get a juicy carrot which avyakt7 wrote/writes which encourages my walk in search of the UNLIMITED.(with EGO clinging to me as an invisible parasite 🤔😊😊😊 👍Love U 😊 and remembering Him (*) the good thing I learnt.🤔😊
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