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  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:26 AM on March 27, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Notes on SM Murli March 23 2019 

    The following recent Murli (March 23, 2019) was shared with me. I find this Murli an example of what I was trying to convey in my previous post titled : “The long lost Sakar Murli.”

    • Sweet children, this knowledge is that of total silence. There is no need to say anything in this. Simply continue to remember the Father, the Ocean of Silence.
      The basis of your progress is love. You need to have true love for the one Father. Even though you live close by, if you do not progress, love is definitely lacking. If there is love, you would remember the Father. By remembering the Father, you will be able to imbibe all His teachings. In order to make progress, write your chart with honesty. Don’t hide anything from the Father. While becoming soul conscious, continue to reform yourself.
      1. Maintain the internal happiness of staying in remembrance of the Father and give others the Father’s introduction. Tell everyone the praise of the one Father.
      2. Practice becoming soul conscious a great deal. You mustn’t speak too much.’t Let the past be the past and first of all reform yourself. Keep your chart of the pilgrimage of remembrance with honesty.
      In order to become equal to the Father make your foundation of purity strong. To make a vow of celibacy for the foundation is a common thing. So do not be happy with just that. Underline even more that you must that purity in your vision and attitude.
      Let there be mercy and good wishes for everyone in your vision and there cannot then be any trace of arrogance or insult.
    • Comments:
      Observe that the “Essence” and “Q/A” bring a different message than the “Essence for Dharna.”“Knowledge” is not to remain in silence by absence of words. “Knowledge” is to BE silence, empty. There is no way to explain this experience.
      The essence for Dharna however, interprets Silence as “not talking too much.” But yet, it directs to “tell everyone the praise of the Father.”
      Someone who experiences internal silence may not talk too much but to say “You mustn’t speak too much” is completely out of context. The “Essence for Dharna” is not giving the essence of the Murli.Someone who doesn’t speak too much is not proof of BEING silence.

      The “Q/A” mentions clearly that the essence of progress is Love. Nevertheless this “love” is only related with remembrance of the “Father.” It says even though “you live close by.” (??)
      LOVE doesn’t have boundaries. The type of love expressed in the Murli is only about the “Father” and the “Father” for many Bks is not an experience but a mental abstraction, thus “love” can only be mental; therefore, not true love.

      Observe the use of the phrase “reform yourself” in the essence for Dharna. That is a very safe but meaningless phrase. There is no “spiritual” progress through “reformation,” but through understanding. “Know thyself” is not about reformation.

      It is clear the mix of words which should come from the original Sakar Murli with those added to suit the BK organization or a conditioned self-righteous morality; easily understood by the masses who already have a belief in which “spirituality” has stern eyes, and the body must be treated with severity, austerity to progress.

      The “Blessing” (Avyakt Murli) shows an example on how “new instructions” are left aside to emphasize the old sakar Murli with its typical “black or white” instructions.
      The blessing says in reference to BK “purity”, that the practice of celibacy is a “common thing”, however; it says to Underline even more that you must have purity in your vision and attitude.
      The Sakar Murli was very tight concerning celibacy. For the SM, “purity” is not having sex. The BK organization fully supports that. Contrast that view with the version of an Avyakt Murli, to see a huge difference in emphasis and expression.
      Vision and Attitude are definitely spiritual ingredients needed for true purity, more than simply living with a repressed sexuality.

      The slogan of this Murli explains VISION as good feelings and mercy for all.
      When someone says: “Change your vision”, that refers to view things from a different perspective. What is that perspective? Everything IS as it is supposed to BE. It is perfect. Thus, good feelings and mercy or compassion for all, is the adequate disposition when seeing right or wrong, good or bad, justice and injustice, etc. This is “unlimited” vision.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 9:25 AM on March 20, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    “Knowledge”: The favorite game of the mind. 

    Life is certainly, a learning experience. It is the experience of opening up, to become “nothing” from “something”, by being completely open.
    It is your own discovery of the mind. Words cannot explain, for they are of the mind.

    Before I started as a student of the Brahma Kumaris, there was nothing more than what my senses and mind could perceive. That was my practical “knowledge.” Science had all the answers. The important things in Life were to get a good job, a pretty wife and to have a family. Just like the “dream” sold to most everyone.
    Who created us? That was the “logical” question which needed an answer. I took for granted that someone had to create us. That is how “God” came into my picture.

    Then, my world changed through different experiences with someone who I could not see but hear through the words and experiences of my sister. The BK experience initiated my introduction to “paranormal” experiences.
    It became apparent to me that “Brahma Kumaris” was the “daughters of Brahma” indeed, as those experiences were mostly from women.

    I do not understand how someone could join the Brahma Kumaris and go through its “training”, without having these types of “paranormal” experiences. I mean, many religions offer “God” in a nice package. Many religions are filled with “nice” people who will make us feel at “home”, they will make us feel as a “family.” By the way, the word “family” has been exploited tremendously by our society to fulfill our need for identity, our need to belong.

    Perhaps it is the fact that Brahma Kumaris offers its classes free of charge. Perhaps the free vegetarian meal on Sundays… Who knows. Everyone has its own story as to how they started there, all different, all valid.

    With the Brahma Kumaris the “supernatural” became easy to assimilate. The world of spirits, ghosts, mediums, clairvoyants, fortune tellers, etc. became part of my repertoire of experiences. My faith in Science and its “knowledge” diminished considerably. Science did not know anything about that world.

    There is a world or rather “worlds”, beyond our physical reality. However, not everyone is ready to experience those or even accept them as a belief. It will take a little deconditioning, and a bit of tolerance to go beyond comfort levels.

    Now, out of the Brahma Kumaris experience, I could see that the “basics” were explained in the BK system; nevertheless, there is way more to it and again, not everyone is ready. Most individuals are comfortable with their level of understanding of the world. They believe to have figured it out. These individuals will live in a dream and die in a dream as well, that is the experience in their lot. Nothing wrong with that. Their minds will make their life livable.

    We constantly need to forget what we believe to know, in order to “open up” beyond the confinements of the mind. The mind will accumulate information constantly. That accumulation could be very sophisticated, needing “greater minds” to understand. However, when concerned with consciousness; none of those paradigms of “increasing knowledge” will be needed.
    Those will need to be thrown away. Unlearned.

    Truly, to step away from the grip of the mind becomes necessary to “progress.”
    While in Brahma Kumaris we learn to control the mind; I am learning just to step away, to observe it, become aware of it, so “I know.”
    It is that type of “knowledge” the one that is useful, practical.

    Knowledge as “information” is only useful for the games of the mind but not for a new consciousness in the realm of “no-mind.”

  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:52 AM on March 13, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    The long lost but now found Sakar Murli 


    There is a time for everything. The time for the current Sakar Murli to phase out, may be approaching. The “children” may be growing up by being exposed to different information which wasn’t available in the Sakar days.

    I remember when the Sakar Murli was protected. It was only read at the centers and hard copies could not be printed out without the authorization of the “in charge.” As time went by, due to the popularity of the Internet, it was understood by the BK organization, that it could no longer keep it “secret.” Now, it is easy to download it ore receive it via email with little effort.
    The BK organization was forced to change according to time. A “NO” became a “YES.”

    As most BKs may be aware, Sakar Murlis are not the exact words of Brahma Baba as they were uttered more than 50 years ago.
    There have been many “corrections” through time, also known as “updates.”

    Despite the belief that “God” is with the Brahma Kumaris, and He has been giving teachings since 1969 (after the physical death of Brahma Baba) through Avyakt messages, those teachings (Avyakt Murlis) are relegated to only one day a week. The rest of the days are for the “corrected and updated” Sakar Murlis. The “word of God” through an “updated” Brahma Baba who is a being of light, is not enough. The BK organization rather have the “no so perfect” version as a Murli.

    Only the “Blessing” in the Sakar Murli, may be something from the Avyakt teachings. Nevertheless, in my days as BK, if you remembered the “essence for Dharna “ and the “blessing”, if someone asked you “what Baba said today”; you were OK. Like little babies who need small amounts of food to digest, the “essence for Dharna” was written by someone in the BK organization, in easy 2 or 3 points to recite and memorize. “Churning” the Murli is not necessary when someone picked the “main points” of the day (although it is questionable if those points were truly the main points.)

    I understand that for a beginner in “spirituality,” to have “black or white” instructions are important, but I wonder when those “beginners” will change into middle or advanced students?
    Would the Sakar Murlis be appropriate for them then?

    As it is now, the Sakar Murli is the greatest tool to condition BK followers. That is the importance of it. To listen to those black or white instructions every day, is without a doubt, training for the mind to see things from only 2 colors.
    A dear BK friend, used to see Life under 2 labels: Good and Bad. In her mind, there was a clear line dividing those 2 “opposite” labels.
    It is that training the one that will disconnect followers from seeing Life beyond labels or judgment. A “normal” person in society will learn to see “gray” besides black or white as he matures; but to see Life without labels; is definitely a step forward. That is the step needed when we know that “the Drama is predestined and beneficial for all.”

    How could something be “bad” or “good” then? Those are only labels to describe, to make ourselves understood under the limitations of language, to convey a message based on society’ standards, but those are not inherent values in Life. Things in Life are neither good nor bad. They just ARE.
    I cannot judge that a person is “bad” or “impure.” That is to draw a line where there is none, but only in our imagination.

    When we perceive the world as only “good” or “bad” then we will align constantly within those 2 labels. Today I am “good” because I woke up for Amrit Vela. Tomorrow, “bad” because I ate eggs. Temptations are always there for the BK follower, who is repressed from many things. “Tests” are to be passed or failed. Is it more valuable to go to class every day without missing a day or to be empathetic with all? If you have to choose, what will take you to Heaven? The “black or white mind” will make a selection.

    Life is balance, harmony. That could hardly be achieved by following “black or white” instructions.

    Attend your BK classes and BE empathetic with all. Just DOING what the Sakar Murli spells, will not take you to heaven. It may give you a “good” position within the BK organization, but that is the extend of it.

    • ex-l 10:07 AM on April 20, 2019 Permalink | Reply


      Do you know anything about the internal history and discussion behind the changes in Murli policy?

      By that, I mean who was behind locking them up and why; then how the changes came about … who was for it, who was against it and so on?

      Documenting the changes and liberating the Murlis was, of course, one of the primary campaigns at As you write, it is true to say that before we came on the scene, the BKs had become paranoid over their control of access to the Murlis and, we must presume, fearful of the damage to their PR if they were to be read by the general public.

      Much of the whitewashing of the Sakar Murlis that has happened … it’s not “revising”, it has been a process of censoring and re-writing in such manners as to lose much of their content and, in places, render it unreadable … has been to that end, but also to create an entirely different impression of Lekhraj Kirpalani and early BKism to more educated, one might even same more spiritually developed, Westerners and middle class Indians.

      This process has been going on since the 1970s when a select few Indian sisters ‘interpreted’ the Murlis while translating them ‘on the hoof’ at morning class in London. That is to say, they were not always literally translations.

      At that time, and earlier, the relationship to the Murlis was entirely different. They were all paper printed and, as they piled up in centres, became a problem. Old ones were handed out liberally for home study. There were even times when they were torn up and used as wrapping paper for toli, and, of course, just thrown out, accounting for the loss of many of the early versions.

      Copies – sets even – do, however, exist outside of the Kirpalani Klan’s control and a very few – literally a handful of “BK souls” have explored, documented and discussed the changes within them. With those edits not just meanings have been changed but also references to the movement’s history have been lost. For example, Kirpalani would reference notable individuals who had left, current events and so on.

      Their re-working – a reduction in length to as much as perhaps 30% of the original – also portrays Kirpalani state of mind in a different. The original spilled over at least 4 pages of fulscap paper and were highly repetitive, stream of consciousness type rambles. One has to wonder what was going on at the time they were spoken. I was, for a short time, part of the Murli translation team and it was by far the most excrutiatingly boring “service” to do, all before digital anything. It all had to be done manually from cassette tape recordings. Play, stop, rewind … written out by hand, then typed up by another.

      I think the attitude towards the Sakar Murlis also says a lot about the relationship o the Kirpalani Klan to their “god” and his utterances. The most prominent being their feeling of superiority and ownership over them to the extent that they could control and modify the teaching.

      It was their principle of monopoly over the business of the religion … their use of control over the access to the Murlis and how they used it to insist adherents had to come to the centre where they could be controlled and exploited … that we wanted to challenge and break.

      Our vision was that all BKs ought to have by right direct access to all the original teachings, and that those carrying out the re-writing of history and philosophy ought to be held accountable. That adherents ought to be able to see the changes and question them.

      Of course, the BKWSU was never going to cooperate with us as, in their vision, we were so “impure” … but I see there is a sort of semi-official ‘backdoor’ project going on, run by one “Dr Luthar” now.

      What I’ve never understood is why a cult who has such high claims for itself to the extent of believing its god spirit or guide is “The One Supreme God” … has such a low value for its words and history.

      Their actions rather demonstrate a shame and an embarassment about them, as if they really know in their heads and hearts that they are not that great and, therefore, not ultimately be supreme.

      I don’t buy the usual excuse they used to use that outsiders’ intellects were “too impure to understand the Murlis”. Outsiders see and understand the old Murlis perfectly clearly … they were not just 90% garbage but peppered by narrow minded bigotry. The good bits in them could have been reduced down to a paragraph or two.

      Outsiders were not “too impure” to understand the Murlis, they were just not brainwashed enough to subject themselves to them. To have their thinking reduced to the level of them.

      Were – and still are – some Indians at such a low level that matching their thinking to Lekhraj Kirpalani’s was raising their level? Perhaps. I think for most of us in the West it was lowering, limiting and dulling down though. We tried to find depth and “experiences” in them … and it just was not there. They were just long, repetitive, trance like mantras and their reading, and the demand that we must subject ourselves to them 6 days a week, was just a ritual of indoctrination and control.

      There is more history to the institution of the Morning Class. The rigidity of it was not part of the original group activity. It’s a shame no one’s truly and objectively documenting the history.


      • avyakt7- New Generation 10:40 PM on April 21, 2019 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know much about the policies behind the editions of the Sakar Murli. However, it is safe to say that Brahma Baba’s teachings have been changed.
        What is learned through the process of self-realization is very hard to put in words. Our words are dualistic, we understand through mental concepts and like to oppose and contrast those concepts for better mental understanding. When it comes to “spirituality” ( to label this process of opening up and diluting ego) the previous learned rules do not apply. The belief of BK followers to follow the contents of the Sakar Murli to obtain a similar state than Brahma Baba is naive, but understandable given the conditioning. Every person has a particular story based on particular Life experiences. No two are alike, therefore; there are no formulas.

        If Brahma Baba went into some medium trance during the Sakar Murli ( As I was told, “God” was in him) his repetitive lines are understood by me now. One of my guides/friend (Miguel) repeats his lines twice while going through my sister’s channeling, while the other friend (Mathias) does not. I believe it may be on how often the entity being channeled, had an exposure to human language.

        The value of the Sakar Murli is better suited for a beginner. Someone who can understand “black or white” sentences and who needs “steps” to feel “improvement.” The Sakar Murli is for the masses, the bulk of BK followers. On the other hand, the Avyakt Murli is more refined. It is more general and had deeper “spiritual” topics, specially the ones from the 1970s.

        Many things will get lost in translation. It is unavoidable, as there are no words to fit a “spiritual” experience. I get that all the time when translating some of the words in Spanish and not being able to find an equivalent in English. If the one translating does not have a similar experience, that person will make errors when translating an experience which he does not know about.
        The words “detached observer” when “practiced” by a beginner, may look as emotional distant, with lack of compassion, but “witnessing” is a better word to describe that same state for a beginner, in my view.

        It is my experience that any religious scripture or the Sakar Murli are merely pointers. They may have historical value, but that has little value for spiritual “improvement.” A follower looking to “improve” needs to understand the words in his own experience and needs to be aware when Life presents that chance through a Life experience.

        As it is now, the Sakar Murli is a piecemeal of many things. Thus, only a tool for conditioning; which is necessary if someone wants to “leave” the “world” of our society and embrace the BK conditioning.


  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:57 AM on March 6, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Remember to be a soul 

    In Baba’s yaad, remember ME alone, remember the Father, be soul conscious, become bodiless, to be in yoga with the Father, become a detached observer….

    What all of those popular phrases in the BK dictionary have in common?
    They are intended to point to the same thing.
    What is that?
    If I say “awareness of not to be the body” then I am destroying your ability to become AWARE by giving you something to negate, without your own inner discovery. Awareness does not negate or affirm.
    It is not surprise that most BKs continually deny their own body and its needs, as a consequence of the popular: “I am a soul not a body.” Most BKs know what is a “body” thus they deny it believing that this is how they can reaffirm to be  a “soul”, but many have no idea or experience of what a “soul” is.

    How is it possible to have so much misunderstanding?
    Brahma Baba had an insight. He tried to put that in words. Those words were passed onto others, who did not have the experience. These “half-teachers” added, subtracted or interpreted the previous words before these were passed onto “quarter-teachers” who in turn, did their own “service” by adding further confusion, and then into the masses. That has happened to every organized religion through time.

    When our AWARENESS increases, we will recognize our physical senses, then our body, then our mind, our emotions and what is not them….
    I cannot add further words for it will be confusing to figure out with our minds, what is what Avyakt7-NG is trying to convey. However, this is not to be figured out. As the Murli mentions, it is about “practice” but as we progress, we will not need to remember to practice, that is only the “beginner’s 101 state” but AWARENESS IS, it will sink in. There is no need for “remembrance” when you ARE AWARE.
    That is why, “remembrance” is not an accurate word, for that is of the mind, to bring back a memory to the mind. The mind is not consciousness, it is merely mind. True changes will happen in consciousness not in the mind.  Nevertheless, in the “beginner’s 101 class”, remember to practice… use your mind.

    What is the difference between awareness and observation?
    What is the difference between detached and bodiless?
    Isn’t AWARENESS a quality of being detached? How could you be aware without detachment?

    All those words point to the same thing.

    Nevertheless, keep “remembering the point of light.” Visualize it. Talk to it. Visualize Brahma Baba’s face in the picture and believe THAT to be “remembrance”… to have found the “truth.”
    It happened to me, thus; it is someone else’s turn. All good!   🙂

  • avyakt7- New Generation 10:30 AM on February 27, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    On Vegetarianism and Veganism 

    In Brahma Kumaris, there is a belief that some kind of food items are “pure”. Items which are not considered in their list, are considered “rajasic” or “tamasic” (that is middle and lower quality of value.)

    In Brahma Kumaris to consume cows’ milk is considered “satopradhan” or “pure.” Milk is considered a “satvic” food in Hinduism even though its animal origin. However, eggs are considered “rajasic or tamasic” depending on your source of authority.
    It is said that yogis believed that milk coming from a “happy cow” is good for humans. Of course, pasteurization made this “satvic” food into a problem. However, the belief on milk being “satvic” continued on. There is also the “problem” of fertilized eggs vs. non-fertilized eggs for those who want to eat “vegan” eggs.

    Humans follow traditions but are unable to consider the changes that time will bring. What was “true” yesterday, may not be today.
    A “happy cow” back then, may not be now. As much as we like to generalize ideas to make them fit into our philosophies, these usually do not fit “reality.”

    Our minds keep on making distinctions, separating, labeling things and putting them into little boxes. That is how Veganism and Vegetarianism appeared. Originally the intention may have been for personal gain, to eat something beneficial for spiritual reasons, then; it changed into the ideal of “ahimsa” to protect animals from unnecessary suffering. Now, both ideals are somewhat close to socio-political movements. Their focus is to prevent animal cruelty in society. They believe that to be a priority, a matter of conviction, of morality, etc. The label then changed into Radical Veganism.

    Nowadays, many may consider capitalism as a source of animal cruelty. Of course, ultimately it goes back to human beings who are “pushed by the systems into compliance to make a living.”

    We humans are too many. Overpopulation is the source of many “problems.” The forces of the market (the haves vs. the have nots) benefit from this, but not our planet. Vegan movements may want to extend their view and consider the planet. Vegans would like to put their ideas to help animals in practice, however; other humans strongly disagree. How could they push their view? How to convince others?

    Observe how the original yogi belief in eating healthy to keep the body well for meditation changed into a social movement of compassion fueled by our political conditioning and personal agendas.

    The traditional “happy cow” may be a dream now. We need Scientists to tell us when a cow is happy. We have lost our ability to empathize.

    A few weeks ago, I read an article suggesting that plants may feel pain. Scientists are working on that. Because a plant does not have a central nervous system, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they cannot sense distress or pain in their own way. People who are acquainted with plants, living with them, may be more knowledgeable about them but… we need “proof” from our beloved science, then we will believe although, it is blind faith for it will not be our personal experience.

    What about if I dare to say that minerals, stones also have consciousness? That may be a far out thought of a crazy man! Let us wait for a scientist to take up the study.

    Life and death are a reality in Life. In the wild animals will kill to survive. Humans do not have that need, but as our “science” is advancing, we may find out that all creatures on Earth living in duality will experience pain and pleasure in their own ways.
    Humans have brought an element of egotistical nature that is non existent in the wild, in Nature.
    What is that?
    Exploitation. We exploit animals and now plants. The market offers “cruelty free products” to support those who became a new market segment. After all, it is all about profit.

    Where am I going with this writing?
    Nowhere. It is merely food for thought.
    Adopting veganism doesn’t necessarily mean a change of consciousness, but someone who has experienced a change of consciousness will typically be vegetarian or vegan but he will not reject meat if necessary. That person will be beyond the pretty labels of Vegan, Vegetarian, Satvic, etc.
    If all people were vegetarians / vegans then we will have an overpopulation of animals as they will have less space to live thanks to human growth. Great exploitation of plants could be a reality at that point.

    Therefore, Life supports the vegan and the non-vegan, for both are necessary to keep a balance.
    Let us remember that Life is not concerned in supporting human morality, what religions and philosophies taught us to be “right” but rather; Life is about balance, harmony.
    Those trapped in the duality of “right and wrong” will not be able to understand this.

    • ex-l 8:41 AM on March 5, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      “If all people were vegetarians / vegans then we will have an overpopulation of animals as they will have less space to live thanks to human growth”

      Hmmn, not so I think.

      We are discussing some sort of utopian idealism here (what if the world became vegan tomorrow?), but, on one hand, there would be a temporary re-adjustment while the current levels of domesticated “food animals” lived out their natural lives (we don’t need to kill and eat them to keep them down); on the other hand, there would be a huge re-population of species that we have slaughter to the point of extinction to their natural levels, (eg it’s interesting to read ancient accounts of how populated the oceans once were with sea mammals).

      Nature does not need us to manage its balance, it needs us to stop messing with it.

      The point I am making here is more about not providing excuses for individuals not to be “as vegan as possible”, which is the current imperative.

      It is worth point out that, in my opinion, there needs to be a refinement of idea of what “vegan” means, of what is “most vegan”, defining veganism as a “least harm” principle, both to animals, the environment and outselves.

      For example, as I think you are saying, it is a paradox that rigid metropolitan veganism is actually not the most vegan way of life (least harm) if the principles are applied in, say, harsh, remote environments. What is correctly “vegan” for a modern metropolis, is not vegan – nevermind not possible – for someone living in the remote Andes or Hindu Kush.

      I became vegan during my time as a BK, over 30 years ago and have never found a need to relinquish it. The anti-vegan coercion and manipulation I experience from the BK leadership and their then negativity to we “health bhagats” as they called up, certainly led up to my leaving.

      There is no excuse for the BKWSU not to adopt an “as vegan as possible” principle, especially in the developed nations and modernised areas of India.

      It is evidence of their unenlightened, unresolved, morally compromised state that they don’t; and that the leadership has been resisting it for over 3 decades.


      • avyakt7- New Generation 7:47 AM on March 6, 2019 Permalink | Reply

        Generalizations as we know, cannot be true. However, those make a good example, simple and easy to follow. My point is that both, vegetarians and non-vegetarians are needed. However, the main issue behind those labels is the fact that we humans are too many. We are taking away lands which otherwise, are used by animals and plants in the wild and that help maintain the balance, the Eco-system. We exploit natural resources for profit and deplete them but keep on growing our population. That is the main issue.


    • Himanaya 11:49 AM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Lovely post! I’d be delighted if you check out mine on a similar topic-


  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:06 AM on February 20, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Going into the depth of Remembrance 

    A reader asked me to give my input (churning) on a recent Murli (2/12/19)
    This Sakar Murli deals with remembrance. I gave a similar input before but perhaps it wasn’t well understood, so here it is again:

    Essence: Sweet children, the Teacher is bodiless and you therefore have to make effort to have remembrance. By remembering Baba, you will finish your examination and then go home.

    Essence for Dharna: 1. Adopt the discus of self-realisation and burn your sins away. Be careful that you don’t perform any sinful acts through your physical organs. Make effort for yourself to become karmateet. 2. Do not desire to have a vision. Neither do you receive liberation by having a vision nor are your sins cut away. There is no benefit in having a vision. The rust can only be removed by remembering the Father and the knowledge.

    It mentions that followers need to make effort to remember the Father for he is incorporeal. Also, it says that visions (seeing a soul in a spirit) don’t have much importance. What is important is remembrance of the incorporeal Baba.

    If someone picked the path of the Brahma Kumaris, then that person picked a version of what a Yogi should be. I say a “version” for every path claiming to be of Yogis, can only have a flavor of it.
    Brahma Kumaris is no exception. For instance a Yogi will practice “pranayama” as a means of maintaining a healthy body. Nevertheless, In Brahma Kumaris physical exercise is not part of their teachings.  In the traditional system of Patanjali, the practice of the “8 limbs” was considered “Raja Yoga.”

    Nevertheless, the word “effort” is without a doubt, part of the Yogi tradition. A Yogi needs to make effort to achieve certain goals. In this case, remembrance of Baba.

    The word “Smriti,” loosely translated as “remembrance” has a different twist of meaning in Brahma Kumaris. It is believed that “God” should be the one remembered.
    The first and obvious obstacle in such BK remembrance is “how to remember an incorporeal entity that most have not had a vision or experience?”
    In my times as a BK, I used to “remember” the point of light as portrayed in the pictures by visualizing it. Sometimes the face of Brahma Baba. Obviously the effect of that type of remembrance is to stop the Yogi from performing “sinful actions.” For instance, if a follower wanted to have sex and he remembered the face of Brahma Baba before acting, then that could work as a tool to suppress the desire to have sex. However, this is not yoga. This is a tool not to perform “sinful actions” as believed by Bks.

    Similarly, visualizing points of light and attributing them the label “Baba,” “Shiva,” etc. is another tool.
    As the Murli points out, “visions” do not have greater importance but remembrance does. Therefore, what is that type of remembrance?

    Isn’t “God” an incorporeal soul? Am “I” an incorporeal soul, right? Aren’t souls in principle the same?
    What would happen if I remember by feeling the quality of “me” instead (soul) rather than a childish visual?
    When I perform actions, I am AWARE that behind the body there is an entity with a predestined role, playing its part. Very soon, the word “I” will have no meaning. Then, “I” will be “equal to the Father” for lack of “I.” This is the meaning of a “detached observer.” Remember that state.  The Avyakt Murlis give an emphasis of a “detached observer,” something that is not found in the Sakar Murlis.

    Therefore, Avyakt7-NG is pretty sure that the type of remembrance taught to many Bks as I followed during my days as Bk, is merely a prop, a tool; for with all honesty, I am only “remembering” a picture which is not the Father, Baba, etc.
    The picture of Jesus Christ is not him. A picture of “me” is not “me.” However, the quality the observation behind “me” will give me the feeling, the sense of “me.” This is “true” remembrance as taught in the Yogi tradition and by many other masters such as Gurdjieff.
    Becoming AWARE of ME is to remember ME alone.
    I found this link with a somewhat detailed explanation of what I am trying to convey:

    Again, let us be aware that such tools as spoken in the Sakar Murli are very basic. It is for beginners 101. It is black or white. It has been modified and changed by many hands.

    Observe all sorts of misunderstandings that could arise if I say: “REMEMBER ME ALONE.” (As the Sakar Murli mentions many times.)
    It is not about “Baba.” It is truly about ME.
    Why say: “God says: remember me alone.” when in fact that is a beginner’s prop, a misunderstood tool for “children.” Besides, who added the words “God says” in the Sakar Murli?
    It is only “Remember ME (I) alone” for that to be “true remembrance” …or your money back. Guaranteed.

    • Gayathri 10:43 AM on February 24, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      That is a great explanation brother. Congrats. I am yet to read the link you gave. Thanks for taking up this subject. 🙂

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    • Gayathri 8:01 AM on March 3, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Sorry for the delay in continuing my message. I remember one quote from the Avyakt murali – this is not the exact quote though as i read it may years ago and have forgotten the exact words used; but the essence of it is given below.

      Children, when you are at the base of a mountain and wonder how it would be at the top of the mountain, yes, you could only guess as to how it would be there. But as you keep ascending the mountain, and reach the top, you would know and experience the atmosphere there as it really is. In the same way, when you start your journey of soul-consciousness and wonder how it would be like being equal to Baba, when you reach the final stage of soulconsciousness, you would know / experience what it is to be equal to the Father.

      Om shanti.


    • Gayathri 8:04 AM on March 3, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Yes, remembering ‘me alone’ leads to experiencing Baba, the pure incorporeal stage.


      • ahnanda 11:44 AM on March 3, 2019 Permalink | Reply

        “To remember to be a soul” is not appropriately explained. The words used are not proper.
        That will be the theme for the next writing.
        Thank you for your input.


  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:07 AM on February 13, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Acknowledge your nature 

    Let us say that a woman has an experience with “God.” It is a blissful experience in a Brahma Kumaris center.
    This young woman decides to follow the Brahma Kumaris’ lifestyle.
    As years go by, this woman will find that “tests” will be appearing in her Life: Her hidden desire to connect with a man, her hidden desire to become a mother… all of that will need to be forgotten as she would like to follow the “ways of God.” (As interpreted by the Brahma Kumaris.)

    The mind is full of ideals but our nature is always there, reminding us who we ARE at that point in our lives. How is it possible to overcome our own nature to fulfill the desires of our mind?
    That is what Brahma Kumaris presents as a path.

    The mind, will power, etc. are unable to overcome our nature unless repression is allowed. In my view, that is what every follower of the BK path needs to be aware of. If we are unaware of our own repressions, then definitely, the Brahma Kumaris’ path is a good path to follow. We will learn if AWARE.

    Let us say that this woman dies of an emotional disease such as cancer. From the viewpoint of society, this episode may be seen as unfortunate; the price to pay for following a “cult,” or we could add any other labels to suit our fancy, nevertheless; according to the laws in Life, that experience was needed for that particular woman. That experience was perfect.

    In Life we learn though experiences, not through mental endeavors such as reading or attending to a class. That is only valid for the ways of society. Any theory that we may learn to “become better” is important as they serve as guidelines, but those cannot be taken as commandments to apply at every instance. Life cannot be put into a box of safety.  If living Life was about following commandments to the “dot,” then we will live in our own trap of perspectives as to how Life “should be.”

    As we know, the Drama is predestined. The movie will move on. A person cannot change what he IS, that is BEING through an “effort” of the ego.
    Change has to be NATURAL. Otherwise, it is violence against others and the self. However, many will need to go through the experience of violence as well.
    When change is NATURAL, there is no effort. When change is NATURAL, we could feel that we could leave things behind, the past, our ideas of who we ARE, etc.

    Observe how a child becomes a teenager. That change may have rough spots, but nothing occurs by violence; it is natural. As humans become more intellectual, living in the mind; then at that point, there is disappointment for we have a mental idea of what “should be,” and that image does not fit what IS.

    Change will happen. It happens, but that is not according to our wishes or mental ideals. It happens according to what is in store for us, our destiny… and whatever that is, IS the best for us.

    Do not doubt this, for we are ONE with the movie of Life.
    Go right. Go left. It is the same thing for those who took the “right” path sooner or later will need to go “left.”
    After that, comes the middle and from that down, just to go up.
    That is the full experience in Life. Everyone is at different spots in the journey.  If we remember that, we could understand others rather than judge them.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:56 AM on February 6, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Dealing with politics inside BK 

    Every organized religion eventually will be run by ordinary individuals.
    This means that all the conditioning learned in society will be applied into their “religious” or “spiritual” job.
    It would be naive to believe that leaders or figureheads run the organization. Greater hierarchy, greater will be the interests of individuals going into different directions.
    At the end of the game for an organization to survive, it will need funds, it will need name recognition and it will need strings to pull from “up above and below.”
    This is just like any other organization.

    A dedicated follower will need to discern between politics and the possibility of living a meaningful spiritual experience.
    Basically, all that is learned in the BK as values, should be applied first when dealing within the organization.
    A BK life is meant to be one of service, and for that is necessary to mingle with different individuals from all walks of life, even the political minded ones.

    As mentioned before, the core of living a “spiritual” life is in expanding our consciousness. That means, to become aware of the inner workings of our minds, emotions and feelings. Every situation in Life, should measure those 3 aspects.

    Typically, Avyakt7-NG ignores all aspects related with the perception of BK politics. After all, spirituality is not politics. It didn’t have any consequence to me while I was a BK. For instance, If a senior behaved in a certain way, or if she did something suspicious, or if someone acted against the principles; all of that did not mean anything to me. I wasn’t there for anyone but for my conviction that I found God and that I wanted to become an “angel.”
    That ideal entails, the acceptance of human ways and the understanding that everyone has a right to perform their role in Life. That was a huge protection.

    It is not my concern to “save” any individual from being misled by some political minded BK follower. I understand that Life has many ways to teach and that every experience has value in our lives. Others may feel different and that is fine too.

    At the end of the day, joining an organization for “spiritual” reasons is not depending on the news or popular opinion. For me all depends on feeling if I belong there.

    That sense of belonging is quite important, for it will give us identity and support during our journey.

    Belonging to the “Father” does not relate with politics or wrong human behavior. It is a commitment to what we feel is true. It is to acknowledge our own experience and go with that.
    That trust ultimately, is what will take us to a different “place.”

  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:43 AM on January 30, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    Some pieces of advice for BK followers 

    Out of my experience in the BK path, I could offer some unbiased “tips.” I say unbiased because I am not for or against the BK path. Nevertheless, I had a full experience of it and I feel grateful of the outcome. It was necessary for my path.

    1. The main aspect is to learn to follow your heart, your gut feeling. A typical conditioned individual used to the ways of our modern society, will overuse the mind, eventually blocking his feelings. That individual could talk all day about “love” but he doesn’t feel it. Thus, “love to God” is merely a mental exercise for many. I cannot stress this point enough, for many times we may “think” that we are feeling, when in fact, it is the mind. To learn to know this, is important to be able to know a different consciousness.

    2. Gyan or knowledge is a blueprint of the BK philosophy, but it is not important in the process of self – observation. Many times, we could get caught up in finding “proof” and supporting a belief system. I spent my time in this while a BK, basically I was using my conditioning from society, the need to find “proof” or what I thought was the “truth.” All of these things are of no value in the process of a new consciousness. These mental things (gyan) are “props” to entertain the overused mind.
    There is no value in knowing that “I am a soul” or that “Life is predestined” when I cannot live Life in a fulfilled way. Fulfillment is not of the mind and the accumulation of information. Fulfillment is in feeling.

    3. Any discipline offered by BK Raja Yoga is useful as long as I learn to listen to my inner self, my heart. If a discipline is practiced out of compulsion, I will harm myself and even others. The Observation of what is happening without biased interruptions of the mind, will show me what is proper for me to DO at a particular time. As we know, there is a “role,” in “us.” That role doesn’t move smoothly through my THINKING, for that thinking is conditioned. It appears through a feeling.

    4. Observe your mind. Get to know what triggers traumas, hangups, rejections and repressions. Use the opportunity the BK system will give you to be alone. Whether the morning in Amrit Vela, any other meditation or the seclusion from the outside world, that space is truly precious for those who are serious in changing their consciousness. It is not for everyone. You may discover that being alone is not for you. That is fine. However, the BK system offers this space which supersedes the “busy-ness” of society; for those who are “ready.”

    5. Enjoy your experience in the BK system. It is unique and you will learn many things. I am grateful for the independence that the BK system taught me. I learned to rely on my own means and not be dependent on anyone. I met great people and had the chance to share a moment of my life with them. I learned about the importance of discipline in our lives and the importance of using our own energies in a balanced way. Remember that your heart and not your mind, should be the one telling you whether that experience is enough for you or not. Thus, again the importance of learning to listen to your heart.

    • Gayathri 8:48 PM on January 30, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Good advice! 🙂
      I too have started to accept myself as i am and not bothering about being not able to reach any particular goal. The transformation has to happen naturally, it does not happen by forcing myself to become like some one.

      This attitude and faith in the repetitive drama has enabled me to love and respect everyone irrespective of the weaknesses they have. Yes, still, i sometimes happen to struggle for some time to accommodate some people; then, i pause, and remember what is my present understanding of drama and that gives me the energy and segacity to accept others.

      Some times i continue to hear the grumbling of my mind though, but i allow it do it, after all, it is an old habit that is refusing to leave. A long way to go… no problem… life is a long journey. 🙂

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:05 AM on January 23, 2019 Permalink | Reply
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    The value of Brahma Baba 

    As January 18 is an important day for Brahma Kumaris’ followers, I’d like to share what I consider important about the life of Brahma Baba for Bks and Non Bks alike.

    Brahma Baba or Lekhraj Kripalani was a man who reached self-realization. It was his time.
    No one can tell the exact moment, as self-realization does not depend on the perception of others as to how a self-realized being needs to behave.

    Those who lived with him, may have never know about the process that he was going through. Those who experienced “miracles” attributed to his presence; may have strong feelings of devotion for him and believe that because they had experienced a “miracle,” then Brahma Baba was “very special” and them “chosen ones.”
    Brahma Baba was unique but not “special.”

    Brahma Baba was a source of inspiration to those who followed him, although he may not have been understood. The stories that are told about him may have been changed through time: Those who loved him, may have spiced up the stories. Those who didn’t love him, may have diminish the original stories. It is simple human math. At the end, to believe that “everyone will love a self -realized being” is a childish belief.

    The value of Brahma Baba now is not in the second hand stories that we may hear, but there is value “NOW” for those who had the chance to interact with him at the subtle level, that is in his body of light. As he created the BK religion, he is now preserving it by contacting those who need to be contacted regardless of “seniority” or “years in gyan” or any such human sociopolitical beliefs.

    It is important to know that Brahma Baba acts as a guide to help those who need it according to their destiny.
    Brahma Kumaris for the masses, is a different aspect. It is the “beginners guide.” Every human being comes from different types of conditioning, traumas and experiences making it impossible to create a “formula” that will fit all. Brahma Kumaris for the masses offers an effort to accommodate everyone through a somehow clear cut system, thus there will be issues all the time.

    A self-realized being does not know everything as what is told of ‘God.’ He is not a source of accurate data and information. A self-realized being IS empty of self. An Individual who is One with the Totality. Some may like to call that “God;” but labels do not matter to him but only to those who are not self-realized.
    A Being of light will disclose the information that is necessary according to time and according to the person that he is guiding. Many times, humans will interpret that information with inaccuracies; however, even in that; there will be benefit as a being of light knows the future.

    In contact with a Being of light or a self-realized being, the word “truth” has a totally different meaning from what we are conditioned to believe. It is no longer about literal words or accuracy in fortune telling, but about development of consciousness of those being guided.

    Question: How are you going to “follow the father “ if you don’t know him?
    Answer: It is not by DOING what we are told he did.
    It is by BEING empty of self.

    • ex-l 5:20 PM on February 17, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Truth be, I don’t follow your blog. I must have followed some link looking for BK related information. But I read over the recent posts and would like to comment on this key statement.

      You state, “Lekhraj Kripalani was a man who reached self-realization”. How can we say that and what does it actually mean? How does it stake up to the facts, objective, historical facts, as we know them?

      Firstly, is there only one level of “self-realization”? You present it as if it is a fait accompli. A finish job. If so, when exactly did Kripalani reach it, or what? And what evidence is for it?

      1932 … 1936 … 1968? Or may be, just perhaps, is he still on his path to pay his dues, make his self-corrections, reach the next level? Or is he even there yet?

      If there’s a major fault with BKism, surely it is with its (his) egotism, narcissism, delusions of self-grandeur etc. Everything has to be “global”, “supreme”, “the highest of high”.

      How about he just made the next level up? Or one up and one to the side?

      It seems to me BKism only works in a world where it is the be all and everything, the only one path and Kripalani is its God, and much of BKism is all about plugging the questions, and blinding the eyes to anything outside of it. Just about every other mystic path recognises that there are many levels and many paths. Therefore it is possible that Kripalani had some door of perception opened, reach a slightly higher level of awareness? Or earned a few extra trick?

      I fear you portray “self-realization” as if it is an ultimate “enlightenment” like the Buddha was supposed to have reached (but which the BKs don’t recognise).

      However, what we do know about Kripalani is that he paid a huge sum of money for some kind of initiation with the mysterious unnamed saddhu in Bengal. 10,000 rupees in 1930s money – that’s about in today’s money – and that after he did so, not only the changes started to happened with him, he adopted the use of the mysterious eyeshadow and that, arguably, some times after he fell to pieces in a manner that made his family fear he was having a mental breakdown.

      Further more, that contrary to the BKWSU’s portrayal, beforehand he was not actually the religious or spiritual figure he has been painted out to be.

      Aren’t the first thing to do, to ask a) who was saddhu, b) which tradition did he belong to, and c) what precisely did he initiate Kripalani into?

      Could it have been into a siddhi? Could it have been a relationship with some kind of spirit (possession and mediumship being core to the practise)? There are so many other possibilities before one jumps to the conclusion it was “God”, the one and only highest upon high, surely?

      How could he have been “self-realized” if he believed himself to be god for 20 – 24 years, or even allow a circle of dependent women and children around him believe he was god?

      (Bearing in mind there was no mention in the religion of the BKs’ “God Shiva” until around 1956).

      Surely, it’s a bit of a stretch of logic or appeasement to believe that a “being of light will disclose the information that is necessary according to time and according to the person that he is guiding”.

      Unless truth and light are two different things in your book, as in Lucifer was a being of light too … but I might not believe everything he says and worship him.

      Again, is there only one level or purity of “light”. You’re passing it off as an absolute.

      I could believe Kripalani was possessed by this other spirit but that would mean that he was too dumb or egotistically to recognise it for 20 odd years. That it took him until 1956 to realise it. But then, looking at the quality of materials it/he/they produced at that time, was it really that far down the spiritual path?

      The original, unedited and unrevised Sakar Murlis that make up the core teachings were really pretty limited, and how would you really judge his “creations”, the last of the Sindhi sisters who stuck it out through the beggary period? Do you really think the Jankis, Gulzars and Mohinis and so on of this world are that far advanced now you are out of the cult? Should they be judged by their creation, eg the current middle management and nature of the organization?

      Personally, I’ve given up caring about spiritual theory because that is all it is for me, theory I cannot prove or disprove. I can’t mesmerize others. I don’t exhibit mystical siddhi powers (although I’ve definitely felt and seen other [non-BK] do so). If I am at all clairvoyant, it was only sufficiently enough to see through the smoke and mirrors that the BKs and their god spirits surround themselves with.

      I am sorry but I don’t see it as light. I see it as smoke because it’s not even clear and true by worldly standards.

      I see it as some kind of psychicism, a lower level, not pure spirituality. And it’s most concerning symptom is the strength of its reaction to simple truths or light, suggesting to me that it or they are really living in the shadows.

      For me, a symptom of someone who is truly spiritual is to run to the light, embrace and adopt it, not to crush it, misrepresent it, deny it and keep others from it; as many within the movement do. Their typical response to anyone reaching out for a greater light, is to discredit or outcast them.

      What I would say in conclusion though it this, what does “follow the father” (Lekhraj Kripalani) really mean? Does it mean literally “follow the father”, like do what they say Lekhraj Kripalani did, and blindly copy everything he did (in the hope that it takes you to where he got)?

      Or does it mean “follow the father” as in step out and find your own path as, indeed, Lekhraj Kripalani did. Lekhraj Kripalani didn’t follow someone else. Right or wrong, deluded or enlightened, he carved his own path, learnt his own lessons and, presumably, took on his own karma to work out.

      Should that be what we or truly spiritual people should be doing, rather than trying to do his path in the blind hope it works out for us too?

      The BK middle management is keen to keep the cork in the genie’s bottle. They don’t want us to think there’s further to go them Lekhraj Kripalani went.

      I think it’s possible to suggest they want to mislead us into positions where they can exploit us, and the real lesson of BKism is to recognise that, drop it, go around it, and move on. I mean, even on a most basic level, look at how they blocked and monopolised access to BapDada and kept the interchanges dumbed down to an infantile level.


    • avyakt7- New Generation 4:57 PM on February 18, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      I have discussed already some of the points that your bring in some of the posts.
      To begin, I do not share “truth.” I share my experiences.
      Allow me to start from the beginning: I joined Brahma Kumaris because Brahma Baba contacted my sister (She has medium capabilities among other “gifts.”) before we even knew what Brahma Kumaris was. That contact went on many times throughout the years, through that contact I was demonstrated that Science has limited knowledge and that I needed to put my bias aside to learn and explore something new although it wasn’t easy. Brahma Baba knew something about me, that I did not disclose to no one. That was my beginning as a BK.
      What scientific “proof” can I give of it? It is a subjective experience.
      There was a tree near my neighborhood in Peru. My sister used to listen to the voice of that tree when she was little. That tree gave her riddles and she brought the answers back. That relationship went on for years up until now. The tree said his name was Mathias and he presented to us as our friend. Later on he disclosed himself as a being of light (My sister is able to see that.) Mathias witnessed my “career” as a BK without trying to stop me and he helped my sister and I transition from that experience into something new. We were ready after the BK experience. Through Mathias, I actually received lots of help for my process of transformation. I am talking about years of changes. What scientific proof can I give of it? Another subjective experience.
      Now, there is a new being, his name is Miguel. Apparently he will be guiding me at one point and Mathias will stay with my sister. We shall see.
      I recall that in one of the posts you wrote in the BK forum, you mentioned that “I should take the guidance of a senior or someone” for in your view I was kind of rowdy, confused, etc. among other things… Well it seems that your advice became a reality.

      Going back to Brahma Baba and the BKs…
      Brahma Baba became one with the Totality. Self-realization. That is how we “follow the Father.”
      Followers will interpret the experiences of a person going through this process of self-realization. These followers will consider themselves as “chosen ones.” If they believe in God, they could even believe that God is with them. It is all about “them.” If there are many people, the tendency is to create a religion or a cult, for they believe to have the “truth.” These individuals will degenerate the experiences or “teachings” of the person going into this process.
      To illustrate, “Osho” (Rajnesh) is another self-realized being. He even said so while alive. Watch this “documentary.”

      It is viewed from the side of conditioned human beings who tend to change things to fit their own needs, their morality and conditioning rather than OBSERVE themselves and use the words of a self-realized being as a mirror. For society Osho may have been an eccentric person, a fake. A simple human being cannot tell the difference between a self-realized or illuminated person and a fake; however, that is part of their experience in Life. It is not “bad” but necessary.

      “A man may be born, but in order to be born he must first die, and in order to die he must first awake.” Those were the words of Gurdjieff. Those make perfect sense to me now. That is the “dying alive” of Brahma Baba.
      Similarly, Brahma Baba went through a particular process where he had difficulties with his own family and other “normal” people. Just like Gautama Buddha had with his father and wife. Not only that, but many people rejected them, just like what happened to Jesus Christ and Osho.

      The DOING of a self-realized BEING is good and it has protection, because he IS good. Other individuals ARE not good but their actions are labeled as “good” in human view, morality. However, those actions are dishonest under the telescope of Life itself. Why? Their actions are not according to who they ARE.
      Observe that although Osho had surrounded himself with people who could kill in a heart beat and were trying to kill to get their objectives, at the end; no one was killed. That is the protection that I am talking about.
      Brahma Baba is a being of light. There are many BKs who had an experience with him.
      I understand that your viewpoint is mostly academic and follows conventional human morality; but Life is not always as it seems. Reason and Logic many times, only grasp the surface of the matter.
      I agree that Brahma Kumaris as an organization has made many mistakes. Even the teachings from Brahma Baba have been changed. Nevertheless, everyone is doing their part and I also acknowledge the function of Brahma Kumaris in our society for people like myself. That experience was necessary for me, so it will be for others.

      You are welcome to add your comments as I do not censor something unless I consider it to be insulting or disrespectful. That is my prerogative as this is my blog.
      My apologies if I do not answer quickly as I have other things in my plate. That is why I can post once a week in both blogs ( and this one.)

      All the best.


    • Gayathri 8:35 AM on February 25, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Yes brother. I also had a few deep spiritual experiences with Brahma Baba in his angelic form. I could not even have imagined such deep experiences. Till today, he is my best friend.


    • avyakt7- New Generation 10:33 AM on February 27, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Many BKs that I used to know in my time, had an experience with Brahma Baba or even the point of light Shiva, which started their careers as BKs.
      Without those experiences, I will never have joined the BK movement. I valued my freedom to comply with the system too much. The “effort” was to leave it. Then, in time; it became a source of ego.


    • ex-l 6:37 AM on March 5, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Unfortunately, I have not had time to read over your current world view, or dare I say, “other world” view of the spiritual realms. In this case, I was thinking more about the experiences of Emanuel Swedenborg, one of Europe’s greatest mediums and mystics. An interesting individual because, unlike most mediums and mystics, he was high accomplished and grounded in this world, as well at the next.

      I, too, cannot confirm his experiences “scientifically”, and they were surely tempered for the time and place of his birth C18th, but he was noted for his many miraculous accuracies in prediction and proof.

      One of his best known works was ‘Heaven and Hell’ (the full title being Heaven and its Wonders and Hell From Things Heard and Seen). In essence, it was an account of his psychic journeying to many different realms and his meetings with angels and other spiritual beings in them. He shared an other worldly view of a universe of many different level above and below planet earth that is common in many traditions.

      Therefore, my question would remains which level or realm/s did Lekhraj Kirpalani access and/or achieve? How “enlightened” did he become.

      You now write, “Brahma Baba became one with the Totality” suggesting to me partly a monist world view, like Adi Shankara’s, but also that “he hit the jackpot”, “he reached the ultimate goal or level” in the way followers believe the Buddha did (but the BKs don’t) or achieved Moksha, as Shankara taught or his followers claim (but the BKs deny).

      BKs, and some ex-BKs, have a hard time even considered that, perhaps Lekhraj Kirpalani did not “hit the jackpot but just managed to reach a next level or two up. If I have one problem with BKism, is that it is overflowing with ego, its own vanity, narcissism, delusions of grandeur. Everything has to be the highest, global, the most supreme etc etc etc instead of ‘just a little better’. Which would still be OK.

      It seems to me the fragile, dare I say “child=like” ego BKism appeals to needs to think it is the best and most important in the world, instead of just another step or another path – a resting point even – on a long climb.

      In your world view, does Lekhraj Kirpalani still exist in a personal form AND has merged with “the totality”, eg is he still hanging around planet earth and the BKs and popping in and out of Gulzar? (I hear her mind has gone now).

      The way Swedenborg portrayed the different worlds – and he inspired many similar mystic thinkers since – was of higher and higher vibrations. In approximation, that we could communicate to beings from a world or two above and below, but as they became more and more refined, or speeded up (higher vibration) it became more and more difficult to do so and, from memory, required the passing of communication from our level to an ‘above’ and then from an ‘above’ to one above it.

      This would fit within a typical conception of the Hierarchy of Angels;
      Angels, Archangels and Principalities, Powers, Virtues and Dominions, Thrones, Cheribum and Seraphim etc. and similar concepts of “other worlds” or realms in Hinduism and Buddhism.

      It could even explain his communication with his god spirit/guide (and the fallibilities or inaccuracies as he developed).

      Now, at this point, the BK-mind starts to have a tantrum. No, it wants only one god, one realm, one path, one dada, one Baba (albeit it’s a bit confused which Baba [Brahma or Shiva]) and to be “right”. No other world and no other world view allowed.

      I’m not sure. I’m thinking there’s a much bigger picture and much more to existence.


      • Gayathri 8:21 AM on March 5, 2019 Permalink | Reply

        Hello. Mr.Ex 1, your message is interesting. 🙂 Yes, i used to hear about these things since my childhood. We were told that there are 14 worlds, not sure whether it includes the earth and our solar system/ our universe. Also heard that (in MahaBharat) the 14 worlds were in Krishna’s stomach.

        As i could not grasp the meaning, i had asked my father what it means ( i was very young, 6,7 year old) and he told me something like it is the spiritual form of 14 worlds that are in Krishna’s stomach. And when i asked him why he ( my dad) has a paunch, he told me that there are 14 worlds in his stomach too. 🙂 🙂

        When i read your message, i felt like why should any one go through so much hardship in order to go from one level to the other. (Sorry for having this lazy attitude.) I believe that our transition should be smooth and harmonious. 🙂 Otherwise, as our dear brother Avyakt 7 says, we would be pretending most of the time to reach/ become one at the next level.

        One thing is for sure, Brahma Baba must be several realms (worlds) above me. He has helped me in many ways in the past 2 decades. And whenever i got the doubt whether i was hallucinating, he made sure to give me very deep experiences and a few experiences were unbelievable in the sense that i became clairvoyant too for a short while.

        Anyway, i believe that the transformation should happen gradually for our own well being; for our body and spirit. I am content with my present level of spirituality. Let this spiritual journey be joyous and entertaining.

        And i do plead to Baba sometimes that he should continue to be with me … who would like to lose such a wonderful friend? 🙂

        Yes, i agree with some of your comments on BK family.

        best wishes and regards to all,


        • ex-l 9:14 AM on March 5, 2019 Permalink | Reply

          Although I am, without doubt, critic of BKism, I could accept, perfectly well, that Lekhraj Kirpalani was more accomplished than I on a worldly level and, having mastered a worldly level, moved on to a next.

          It would not be so much “why should anyone go through so much hardship in order to go from one level to the other” but that it is inevitable that one must progress from one level to another on one’s way; some faster, some slower, some stopping to take a rest, out of spiritual laziness, or help others.

          However, at this point I throw in the concept of the Sefirot of the Kabbalah that offers a spiritual map not simply of layers one on top of the other like a department store, but of different paths between different goals. The “Tree of Life”. You have various stages on two columns or extremes, a middle path, and multiple bridges or paths between them. And once you reach to top of one Sefirot, you find yourself at the bottom of the next!

          Each bridge between the centres represents a separate spiritual or worldly lesson.

          Lekhraj Kirpalani’s paths or lessons are not mine. Or yours. He mastered materialism, and then what? He paid for an expensive initiation with a saddhu in Bengal – where I believe one of the keys to understanding BKism lies – had some “chakra” opened, perhaps – and then went a little mad for decades, thought he was god, misinterpreted visions, hugely inflamed his ego and wrecked countless families.

          Yes, he may have developed as a medium for some other spirit being, even became a mesmerist but, if you ask me, I’d suggest he was stuck and coping with all the karma he created during those years.

          I’m really happy not to have it.

          As to the symbolism of Krishna, that’s easy to decode. Classically, that blue is the colour used to denote infinity. Therefore the worlds are not inside anyone tummy but merely within the infinity that is our universe.

          Hinduism is a terrible jumble of conflicting schools of symbolism developed on the basis of resolving social political conflicts, eg the question of rulership between the Brahmins and Kyshatria in the Gita, in which pluralism (whatever you believe is true too) developed as a way of avoiding conflict.

          BKism is something separate more akin to Islam or Christianity that borrows and steals terminology and symbolism from Hinduism, in order to attract customers and victims.


          • avyakt7- New Generation 7:41 AM on March 6, 2019 Permalink | Reply

            Back in 2014 I shared this article:

            At that time, I interpreted that as “there is no hierarchy” based on the vision my sister had. It was my own interpretation.

            Later on, perhaps a few months later, Mathias mentioned out of the blue “Hierarchy is the way of the Universe.” That was some years ago.

            It is my experience that many times I have interpreted things which only fit my own model of thought. Basically, I continued with my own cage of conditioned delusions, thinking that “I know.” Once I realized that there is change.
            Similarly, I could understand that Brahma Baba had visions. He also interpreted those visions. Followers will be in charge of making those interpreted visions, as “truth.”

            “Beings of light” work with some individuals so these can fulfill a particular mission in Life, mostly for the common good. What they say is mostly for them alone. Sort of what the “Oracle” was in the movie “Matrix.” There are many parallels between that character and the mission of a being of light.

            I do not know how many “levels” there are of self realization or how many worlds. I know that Brahma Baba “hit the jackpot” and so did Osho Rajnesh. But they are so different! One practices celibacy, the other indulges in sex. How that could be? Again, is not what they DO. What matters in Life is what they ARE… Consciousness. Human morality is only a human way to judge and label, but that doesn’t matter at all in the realms beyond our society.

            Every medium, every seer, can only interpret according to what is presented to them and that interpretation is according to their own Life experiences. It is like seeing a dream at night. We make up the meaning. Sometimes it is correct. Sometimes, half way. Others, not a chance.

            To be one with the Totality is not to disappear into oblivion. It is to be conscious, aware that we are an individual but at the same time, we are everything, (Totality) when we are “nothing.” That “nothing” could be called “ego-less” as BK says, or “soul conscious” or “Sunyata” as the Buddhist tradition mentions.

            As you said, the BK mind wants “one path, one God and to be the only ones who have it all…” That is truly to be immersed in the egotistical mind. That is what the BK path is meant to be, in my understanding. It is a path to increase ego, for there is no way to dilute it unless it has increased and expressed in its fullest. In my experience; the BK path is necessary for some. Definitely, it was for my sister and I.

            Thus in my experience, to take full benefit of the BK path, we need to go all the way according to our capacity. That doesn’t mean necessarily to be there for 80 years. It means intensity. The intensity of a house in fire rather than just being burned by a small candle.
            That intensity makes it harder to leave for we have a new identity inside the BK conditioning, until there is nothing else to burn.

            At the end of the BK experience, what matters is what happens inside us. What has been transformed out of the experience? That is our “inheritance.”


    • ex-l 8:15 AM on March 5, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Another common element to those traditions is that the more “spiritual” or “pure” a vibration or guide is, the more subtle and hard it is to pick up, the more “powerful” – say ‘tangible’ – psychic experiences being seen as occuring at a lower level.

      A pattern and idea that BKism appears to have followed and to be adopting, from the “weakening” of psychic experiences of the nature of those had during Om Mandli era, to the withdrawal of Kirpalani/BapDada.

      I am not uptdate with what is happening now, but I hear second hand they are down to showing videos of BapDada/Gulzar at Madhuban now. And that Gulzar is on her way to being senile, like Prakashmani and others before her? The following has been long prepared for the idea that BapDada would not be performing his puppet show with Gulzar forever and that in the future/today? BKs would have to be able to rise to their Subtle Regions to meet them.

      Personally – although I have come to conclude that the only thing reliable about psychic experiences, is that they are unreliable (not that they don’t exist) – I would find BKism a lot more easy to tolerate if they gave up their supremacist views and went back to accepting that they were just one path, a step on the path, a resting place on a long climb, rather than “The One”.

      And admit their errors and false representations (I mean stuff like admitting their true history, the failed predictions, Kirpalani’s long held delusions etc).


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