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  • avyakt7- New Generation 11:54 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , awareness, , Brahma Kumarris, Buddhism, , , krishna, radhe, , sunyata   

    The Soul is empty 

    Explanations are only intellectual. If we agree on these explanations it does not mean that we will have the EXPERIENCE of this. Without experience, it is only another belief.

    In Brahma Kumaris is taught about the “faculties of the soul.” The mind, the intellect and the sanskaras. However, aren’t those separated “things” the role of a person?
    We try desperately to name and label things which have no meaning.
    The “Mind” is not a thing. Most of us, do not have a direct experience of what the mind is, even though we live with it every day. The “intellect” is another key label without much use without the mind. 

    Let us say that Ronald was a womanizer in one of his previous lives. However, in this Life as Ronald, he is a shy individual. Even though he has the propensity to be a womanizer, his role in this Life, has placed an obstacle for that “sanskara.” It is this conflict the one that will bring further change in Ronald which will be expressed in another role.

    Therefore, what does it matter to analyze and dissect things in our lives with neat labels, when everything is movement in togetherness?
    When we truly observe this and realize it, labels to analyze things in parts; are useless.

    Let me give another example: In Buddhism “Sunyata” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śūnyatā) is another well-known label. Intellectuals discuss about the “true” meaning and followers will “practice” their version of it.
    In English we use the words “emptiness,” “voidness,” “nothingness,” to refer to it. Most laymen are scared of that word and the thought of being “nothing.”
    Most want to be SOMEONE and Brahma Kumaris offers that opportunity through their belief system.

    Some may be thinking, that “Buddhism is a better path!”
    NO! for nothingness gets misinterpreted by followers. However, wanting to become SOMEONE will take that person automatically into NOTHINGNESS. The word that we could use is “egoless,” just like Brahma Kumaris uses it. Nothingness is not the truth, nor being SOMEONE. It is both and none of them. So what is the truth? To be someone and to be nothing at the same time… Isn’t that a crazy, illogical  statement?

    If we are nothing but an empty container that we call “soul,” and Buddhists refer to that as “emptiness,” aren’t both talking about the same thing?

    Yes… but it is just talk for a follower.
    As long as the mind is prevalent in our BEING, all we will DO is to try to grasp concepts, ideas, information. “Empty” stuff.

    For some Brahma Kumaris followers, it is very important to know the age difference between Radhe and Krishna. Useless information, but when someone is utilized by their own mind, these trivia facts become utmost important.

    Just like separating the soul into 3 faculties. Useless.
    In which way that information could be important to you? How it could help you to transform?

    Ronald the “ex- womanizer,” may not have much luck with women in this Life. He could say: “Oh… it is my karma. I did something wrong in the past and I need to settle that account.” Do you feel guilty? Whether we know this or not, we will experience what we need to experience in Life. Ronald will experience many other things in his Life. His karmic accounts from past lives are only part of that role. Do we see that?

    Experience and AWARENESS. Observe how Nature moves. Observe that “you” are part of it. Observe that everything changes and so will “you.” It is a matter of time, a matter of roles. It is in that awareness how we could observe the beauty of Life without trying to get something out of it for “ourselves.” Whether we call that “salvation,” “heaven,” a “high status,” etc. It is this idea to accomplish something, the force that will solidify our own egos.
    That is necessary in our paths, our evolution; thus Brahma Kumaris is a “good” path but not the only one.

    For the common good.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 6:14 AM on August 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , commentary avyakt7, , , perception, sakar murli 7/27/17, sloga murli   

    Slogan of Sakar Murli 7/27/17 : Comments 

    A reader requested my comments on this:

    The slogan of the SM of 7/27/17 was: “The basis of your stage is your awareness. Therefore, let there always be the awareness of happiness.”

    The way the Murli uses the word “awareness” may be different than my own experience. It appears the Murli uses the word “awareness” as “perception.”
    Thus: ” The basis of your stage is your perception. Thus, let there always be the perception of happiness.”
    Nevertheless, the basis of our stage is AWARENESS and not perception.

    Awareness is not a practice. Awareness is not something that we DO on a regular basis to accomplish something.
    Yes, the basis of our stage in Life is our awareness. That will define our consciousness.
    However, the second part of the slogan does not make any sense.

    Happiness is a state of BEING. That state depends on our consciousness. As our consciousness IS so will be our AWARENESS.
    We cannot force our awareness to be centered in some ideal of happiness. That is just an idea; but we could perceive happiness as moments of elation, joy, delight, etc.

    Someone whose consciousness is not vibrating in happiness, cannot be aware of happiness. For those, happiness is just an intellectual idea, something to “achieve.”

    As we ARE is what we ARE AWARE OF, naturally without any “practice” of willful remembrance of some formula.

    Happiness is not a particular incident that brings elation. It is a harmonious state, calm, peaceful, vital which permeates everything we DO. Therefore, we cannot be AWARE of that if we ARE NOT that.

    The above “slogan” is an example of the misinterpretation that could happen due to the use of particular words. Translation is alway an issue. Lack of “spiritual” experience of the one translating, is a big issue in misinterpretation of a teaching. That is why, it was suggested to match the words through our own experience and not just follow the words through blind faith.

    I’d suggest the Slogan to be translated/constructed in this way:
    “The basis of your stage is your awareness. Let there always be the perception of happiness.”

    For the common good.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 11:30 AM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , bk system, , dadis, join BK, , open minded, , sytem   

    Why are you a Brahma Kumaris (BK)? 

    That is a question worth asking. There are many “reasons” such as: 1. Because my parents were BK 2. Because I had experiences with Brahma Baba. 3. Because I love Brahma Baba 4. Because I love the Dadis. 4. Because I believe that God is with the BKs and I want to get “salvation” and a good “status.” 5. Because I like their values and teachings. 6. Because I like the company of spiritual people. 7. Because God has chosen me.

    Of course, there may be many other “reasons.” But that is not the “why.”
    If we look closely, Brahma Kumaris is a path for self-transformation. Unless a follower is willing to accept that path fully, with all its flaws and merits; that follower is not truly a BK.

    Yes, he may be called “numberwise” and his company may be accepted, but it is important to notice that the purpose of that path is to change who you ARE, not for “you” to dictate the extent of what you want to be changed.

    Brahma Kumaris has a hierarchy. It has a system. Anyone who thinks and plays with ideas which are not contained in their system, is by definition; out of the system. That is the path.

    There cannot be an “Open minded BK.”

    The structure, the strict flavor of the BK path is the first wall that most followers want to “soften” in a “subtle way.”

    That rigidity is meant to put someone in a blender without escape.
    Definitely, “you” will be someone else after a few years, not necessarily what “you” believed that “you” will become.

    As the collective consciousness, the masses “rule” in our society, Brahma Kumaris is forced to change its structure if it is to survive, for there cannot be a religious system with only 5 followers. Brahma Kumaris is a system primarily for the masses.

    Why would you give up your life style to accommodate for a new one such as BK?
    The “why” is that this will make “you” better, elevated, angelic, a king, etc. SOMEONE. That promise is what drives followers to follow.

    A neophyte will look into this as a way to “get more things,” as a way to decorate the “self” into something that will make ME look “good” in front of everyone. That is the dream.
    The “reality” may be that this path when fully followed, will take away who you are, what you have, what you thought you could be. That is a disaster to be feared by the common man who only wants layers of things in top of what he already got. That is what he sees as “becoming better.”

    Paradoxically, those who stick around for a long time, those who are willing to give everything they have for the “yagya,” build their self-value, their self-esteem on that self-denial. The reward is a position (whether administrative or high esteem, psychological boost) in the BK hierarchy which makes a life style parallel to mainstream society. 

    Decorating the self or denying it, will take us eventually to the same place which is to strengthen the “I.”

    So what is the value in this path?
    The value is in the experiences that this path will bring. The different agents that will play out in self change.

    This change cannot be controlled by the “I” to go in a particular way. The change will go according to our destiny.

    That is why in the world there are so many paths, so many systems and methods; but destiny cannot be controlled by none of them.

    That is the predicament of the “I” trying to change itself. The promise that may not be fulfilled.

    For the common good.

    • Gayathri 12:08 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Om shanti. Yes brother, there is not much scope for independent thinking in BKs; any deviation from the mainstream thinking is not appreciated.

      In my case, I am a BK though I do not follow many maryadas which I used to follow in my early BK days. On those grounds I may not be considered as a Pucca BK. But there were many ‘take aways’ from my BK life. And more than anything, i had very deep spiritual experiences with Brahma Baba and he remains a very close friend of mine till today.

      You have your ‘Mathias’, so you can understand how I feel about Brahma Baba. 🙂

      Gayathri ben.


    • Gayathri 11:23 AM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Can you elaborate on this?

      By understanding the significance of which aspect do you children not ask for peace or happiness?
      You understand the significance of the drama. You understand that the play is now about to end. You will first return to the land of peace and then go to the land of happiness. This is why you do not ask for peace or happiness. You stabilise yourselves in your original religion of peace. People do not even know about the religion of the self nor do they understand the significance of the drama. This is why they say, “Give peace to my mind!” In fact, it is the soul that needs peace, not the mind.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:19 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: abhogta, awareness, , , , , trikaldarshi, trilikinath   

    Question: What is consciousness and what is awareness? 

    “Can you please explain a bit more about consciousness, with reference to awareness. My experence so far with BEING aware is that, it is just a state of being there, separation from thoughts is experienced when you BE AWARE with high alertness from inside, but what is this consciousness? Now an Indian is in different consciousness than an American based on their culture when they meet.
    Is consciousness nothing but the awareness of our own set of believes? Is to be conscious the same as to be aware?”

    Thank you for your question.
    Observe the sky. Do you see a cloud in a sunny afternoon? What color is it? Most probably “white,” correct?
    Is a “white person” the same color as the “white cloud”?  🙂  Definitely not.
    What is the “true” white color then?
    It is an ideal. We know it, but we cannot explain it through words.
    Similarly, the words consciousness and awareness are used in so many different ways!
    For instance, you are using the word “consciousness” in the setting of an Indian and an American consciousness, rather than using the words idiosyncrasy or upbringing.
    Your concept of “consciousness” is different than the way that Avyakt7-NG uses it.

    Consciousness and Awareness are words typically used to define each other. What is consciousness? It is awareness. What is awareness? It is consciousness. That is like defining the color “white” or “God.” Do you see the issue?
    This is how it is easy to build religious concepts and systems out of words that cannot be fully defined. Everyone “knows” what we are talking about, but no one knows exactly what it IS.
    Here is a description of the words Consciousness and Awareness:
    When you awaken from your night sleep, there is a very brief moment in which there is “consciousness” of BEING. The “role,” the baggage comes up a few tenths of a second later, then; “I AM.”
    That “I AM” in your case is the script of what “Dinesh” IS and what IS not. That is how our delimited personality arrives. That is a definition of “Dinesh.”
    Throughout the role of “Dinesh” there are perceptions from the inner world as well as the outer. AWARENESS deals with that.
    If you put the above explanation as the “idea” to define “consciousness” and “awareness,” you may have a concept to play with, but you will not have the EXPERIENCE and without experience you truly do not know.

    In Life what is important is the experience, then the label to describe it to others may arrive. A label used depends on your knowledge of a language, your vocabulary.
    However, in our society and the “Office world/afterlife insurance systems” we do the opposite. The concept is first, to intellectually “understand” and then we want our experience to fit that concept, to be “right.”
    That is why we may never know “God” even though we may have experience “it/him/her.” Our perception does not fit the concept that resides in the mind.
    Perhaps now, you may see why there is not a single scripture in “spiritual,” or Life matters; that could be taken literally.
    Are you AWARE of that? Are you CONSCIOUS of that?
    Or perhaps, your consciousness is making you aware of it?  🙂

    In Brahma Kumaris parlance, you may try : “Trilokinath,” “Trikaldarshi,” “Abhogta,” those are concepts learned which followers repeat as if those were their experience. Those concepts become “truth” and that is worshiped.  The mind is happy for having found the “truth,” for “knowing.”  

    For the common good.


    • Dinesh 9:16 AM on July 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Thank u for clarification, but Ahnanda, sometimes our comments don’t appear here!!


  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:58 AM on June 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , , , , father, , , , , , , supreme soul   

    God in Brahma Kumaris 

    Conditioning could be successful if there is an authority to obey behind it or a strong feeling, which will take us to do things and believe things which otherwise we wouldn’t.

    The conditioning of mainstream society has power, for there are authorities behind it: The law and their representatives, religious leaders, politicians, business owners, etc. There is a hierarchy which is built upon each level. A member of society knows about obeying certain things and the consequences of not doing so. The concept of punishment is introduced and that will shape our view of the world and the one beyond.

    Who is the authority to follow beyond this current existence?
    Obviously our “leaders” have no clout over the “after life.”
    That is how “God” was introduced in mainstream. If we observe his “job description,” it is a mirror of our society’s hierarchy, which is clearly seen in the most popular religions. He is the “one to obey” (love) to fear, to get salvation from or to be punished if his law is not followed.

    The collective consciousness understands this easily. That is my point: The realms beyond the physical world do not comply with our understanding or our laws. Human understanding is limited by conditioning.

    The question then, is not whether God exists or doesn’t. The question is, if we are willing to look, to observe deconditioned.

    In Brahma Kumaris, the “job description” of God changed completely. God is no longer the “creator.” God is no longer the one who punishes disobedient people. God is no longer watching everyone, everywhere. God is the one who gives “knowledge.”
    However, most followers do not understand this knowledge, no matter how long they have been following.

    The title of “God” then is changed to “Supreme Soul.” Another set of beliefs could be added to make a difference between a human soul and the “supreme” soul. Observe the power of words, the terminology used, basically refers to the same thing:  The Authority.

    An “experience” with the realm beyond the physical is cherished by most. Sure, it is unique. This will give the opportunity to affirm our ego: “I am special.” Moreover, we could add the word “god” to make our experience the “top one.”

    “I have experienced God.”
    Avyakt7 knew that line very well. Avyakt7-NG (Ahnanda) respects that, and sees the personal evolution through that.

    For a kid, to say “dad” is important. Everyone else says it and beyond the word is the feeling of having someone near and dear, someone who cares. When humanity feels in despair, God is very important to feel that company and like “Santa Claus,” someone will play that role, to bring smiles and joy to those kids. That is the gift of God.
    Of course, human ego can only see that their “Santa Claus” is the only and true Santa. That is how many religions appeared and how the clothes wore by Santa became more important than the person inside them.

    For the common good.

    • Dinesh Chawla 5:15 AM on June 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hi Ahnanda, When I was involved with BKs, I had tried implementing most of the teachings of Murlis, but amongst those, I need your help to explain us two of the very beneficial teachings which I still have not been able to implement 100%, but want to as they are required to keep the flow of my life smoother. So here are those two teachings:

      No 1: Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony, what you think, same thinking should be reflected in your words and actions. (Mansa, Wacha and Karmana should be same)

      No 2: Abstain yourself from creation of waste thoughts.

      The only reason I still want to implement these two teachings in me is that I think about one thing, I say another thing and end up doing totally different third thing in actions. Can you PLEASE explain what a person can do (By now I know that you use DO and BE in caps in all of your articles 🙂 ) to implement these two things by being and by not being a BK.


  • avyakt7- New Generation 10:52 AM on June 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , awareness, , , , , deconditioning, , , , satopradhan, sinful, ,   

    Deconditioning through Brahma Kumaris 

    Our consciousness will change once there is experiential awareness. Consciousness does not change by mere regurgitation of “Knowledge/ Gyan.”

    For this to happen, there is a need for a space away from the elements of conditioning. In most cases, society is the biggest source of conditioning, thus anything that will keep us away from society will give us the space needed for awareness to appear.

    In my time as a Brahma Kumaris follower, I can now see; how the above explanation was present.
    To hang out only with BK followers, to only eat the food prepared by them, to follow their codes of conduct and to spend most of my time with Brahma Kumaris “business,” was the way to create that space of separation from mainstream society.

    Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to see at that time how deconditioning was operating: I wasn’t watching TV or going to the movies, for that was considered a waste of time and a source of “tamopradhan” vibes. I wasn’t around my family members. Work was “better” if it did not take much of my time after the requirements to sustain myself were fulfilled. Sexuality was shut down as a way to avoid further mingling and attachment with others and my body. In a nutshell, most ways of conditioning that society values, were taken away. At that time, my mind was “black or white,” as the knowledge/Gyan appeared to me: “I am becoming satopradhan (good) while society’s way was corrupted, tamopradhan. A rejection to mainstream society arrived, which was largely supported by hearing the daily Sakar Murlis.

    Observe how deconditioning takes place, although; a new conditioning was placed in my mind instead. This conditioning is the one that becomes hard for a “firm” follower to get rid of, once the person leaves the Brahma Kumaris movement.
    The feeling of guilt is unavoidable. The Brahma Kumaris movement is an extraordinary deconditioning path, which leaves no way to “escape” for a follower who is preoccupied in gaining Godly favors in heaven or in this Life, or for a follower who has this idea that to be “good” is to follow a script given by someone else. Usually this follower is an achiever, who is trading mainstream ways into what he may think are “spiritual” ways.  This follower has fear of failure and not to comply with the teachings of “god.”  That fear will manifest eventually in anger.

    An ex-follower will use scientific evidence to prove the BK teachings “wrong,” to be at peace with his guilt. Science is one of the greatest conditioning paths that mainstream society has. To believe in scientific research is for the BEING, at the same level of believing in some deep rooted traditional belief system. Both conditioning paths, will take away the ability of the individual to discover his own truth, to observe himself, to become AWARE.

    Nevertheless, conditionings paths are not “bad.” They are necessary to live in society, in groups. But, for someone who is walking the path of self-realization, these props of conditioning will need to be left aside, to discover our own self. This event has a timing and it is different for every individual.

    For the common good.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 6:00 AM on May 23, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , , dharamraj, , , , , , stillness,   

    Believing in “pretty words.” 

    When someone is living Life absorbed by the mind, words are very important specially if their meaning is ambiguous.

    In my past experience with the Brahma Kumaris, I learned about certain “keywords” which no one knew what exactly those meant.
    “The power of yoga” is one of them, “Shrimat” is another, “Dharamraj,” is a mysterious one but well used when “punishment” is the incentive to be “good and obedient.”

    Do you believe that Life is about punishment and reward?
    Are punishment and reward actually “real” in a predestined Drama? How that can be? 
    Food for thought.
    But yet, the idea is that there is “punishment.” Loaded word that only brings fear to comply, which many followers label as “love.”

    The other day I received an email with the following “inspirational quote”:
    To be still is to be conscious without thought.
    Eckhart Tolle.

    Is that your experience?
    If you are a Brahma Kumaris follower; Do you know what is stillness?
    It cannot be what Tolle mentions above, for a Brahma Kumaris follower believes in “remembering Baba” as much as possible.
    Can you remember without thoughts?

    Thus, “stillness” in Brahma Kumaris is another thing. How about single pointed concentration? Most BKs may agree with that, especially if I add the word “Shiva.” Single pointed concentration on Shiva.

    What is my point?
    A pretty word is used. That word is worshiped, but it means different things for different people.

    Let me change the quote from Tolle and say:
    To BE is to be conscious without thought.
    Can we say that to BE is stillness?

    It doesn’t sound right… but once you experience BEING, you may say that the Stillness of Tolle is the same as the BEING-ness of Avyakt7- NG.

    And what about the “Stillness” of Brahma Kumaris?
    Controlling thoughts by adding a leading thought (Shiva), is the first attempt to become AWARE of thoughts. The leading thought is not the “thing” to achieve but a prop. Once we are AWARE of thoughts, we will not try to control them, but we will learn to OBSERVE if we are identified with them. When there is no identification, even though there are thoughts, there is NOBODY HAVING thoughts, then you are experiencing “stillness” despite thoughts… 🙂

    For the common good.

    • Gayathri 8:51 AM on May 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Om shanti brother.

      Yes, you have explained well about (the) ‘being’. I feel that there are many levels in understanding and practising BK philosophy. One starts with just trying to focus one’s thoughts only on Baba. And when he reaches the level of seed stage, there will be no thoughts. That is ‘stillness’ and the most powerful stage of yoga. Our sanskars get transformed easily in that stage. Baba says that if one could stay in seed stage for an hour, one can ‘burn away’ many sins ( one’s sanskars change so much during that stage that whatever suffering was needed to bring in that level of transformation would become un necessary and will be removed).

      I liked the way you explained about not identifying oneself with one’s thoughts and to be still even while having thoughts. 🙂

      I also remember Baba’s words: He used to ask (in avyakt muralis) whether we are silent only when we are alone OR, whether we could be speaking to some one (let alone just having thoughts) and still maintain ‘silence’. I used to interpret it as being a detached observer and an instrument and speak from silence, maintain the inner silence and peace even when ‘coming into sound’.

      Thanks for all your churnings.

      Gayathri ben.


      • avyakt7- New Generation 9:54 AM on May 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for your comment, sister.
        Most of what I share are my experiences, not necessarily “my churnings.” Anyone can “churn” and interpret things based on what someone else said, but honesty gets in the way of believing something that we have not experienced.
        You mentioned that the “seed stage is stillness and it is the most powerful stage of yoga.”
        Is that your experience? what do you base on the description of “most powerful stage of yoga”?

        It is my experience that “thoughts” are not mine. They come and go. Thus, for someone else who does not have that experience, I can see how he may believe that he needs to control “his” thoughts. It is my experience that what we call “I” is not something static, it is not something that we can say “this is Me.” But, when there is a “Me” then I can see the need for “salvation,” “effort,” and cut away sins and all negative words that we have been conditioned to believe exist.

        Baba mentions about a “role being recorded in a soul.” Thus, what is that “I think” that we believe in, when the role (which are thoughts) “has been recorded already”?
        Food for “thought.” 🙂

        It is ME but it isn’t….at the same time.


  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:00 AM on April 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , , consciousnes, ideas, language, questions, ,   

    Question: How can one experience what one can only understand? 

    Brother Ahnanda has used BK knowledge may be to explain “Adwaita” philosophy, where God and you are considered as one, correct me if I am wrong
    I have come across such thing through some other ways as well, but never thought that BK gyan can also be used to explain same… Ahnanda is really a great thinker you know…
    But brother, theoretically it is quite easy to understand, but how one can experience such thing, like the “I” and “God” both as one? Because through you, to some extent I have understood that experience is what matter the most, right!

    Thank you for your question.
    Ahnanda says that “we” are all one. You see, I am placing “we” in quotes. There is no “we” in Life. In our society, there is a “we.” In our language, “we” need to use the word “we” for otherwise, there will be misunderstanding. Thus, depending on the game that you are playing, there is a “we” and… there is not. 🙂

    You are saying that “God and you (I) are considered one in some philosophy.”
    You believe that I have explained the same thing through BK knowledge.

    That is your misunderstanding.

    The Drama/Life is ONE. End of report.

    You say that Ahnanda is a great thinker.
    That is your misunderstanding.

    Weren’t you the one who wrote: “but tomorrow even if I get some of my own experience, my own realisation, my own idea, can I call it mine, can I really say that Dinesh has found it!! “ ?? ….. has any scientist created any law, has any enlightened being created any TRUTH! they simply came across it!!

    Paraphrasing what you said: “I simply came across that thought.”

    You ask, “how one can experience such thing, like the “I” and “God” both as one?”
    Obviously, when you come across it, right? 🙂

    You said: “Because through you, to some extent I have understood that experience is what matter the most, right!”

    That is your misunderstanding.
    In Life. there are experiences. Experiences are Life.
    The question is: Who experiences the experiences?

    The answer could be “I” but then, who is that “I”?
    A soul? A Spirit? A body? another label?
    No more labels! There is “someone” who experiences, but to experience you need to be AWARE, CONSCIOUS… right?

    Does awareness depend on “you”? How about consciousness?
    If it is not “your” idea, your realization, your experience (As you have said) and those depend on “your” awareness and consciousness… then, what depends on “you”? 🙂
    Right there may be the answer you are looking for. I will not spell it out this time, as it may be misunderstood. But..that is what I said through BK knowledge in the last article.

    For the common good.

    • Dinesh Chawla 2:14 AM on April 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hmm Thanks Ahnanda, may be my eagerness to understand so many things is becoming misunderstanding … I still need to work a lot on my self… but thanks a lot for your reply brother… Om shanti 🙂


  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:00 AM on April 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, believers, , , , , , sri   

    Repeating the dogma without experience 

    How many BK teachers have the experience of soul consciousness?
    How many BK teachers have the experience of the cycle of time?
    How many BK believers have the experience of all those things which are repeated as dogmatic truths?

    Without experience how could someone assert the existence or non-existence of something? This type of behavior is very common in many believers. This is plain “blind faith.”

    “Parrot repetition” is part of the training we have received from society and there is this belief that “information is power” in  the mundane as well as in “spiritual” things.
    However, “spirituality” is about BEING. “You” ARE what you know; thus there is no difference between “your knowledge” and what you ARE. However, we try to cover who we ARE with plenty of encyclopedic information or dogmatic views. The misinterpretation is to gain information, “knowledge” to BE “better.” 🙂

    Most religious groups present their “teachers” with a great resume of “accomplishments.”
    “Sri Sri so and so, has been a teacher of this “method” all over the world for over 30 years. Sri Sri has led numerous workshops and has been an adviser of many important people. Sri Sri has a doctorate in whatever. Sri Sri’s wit, wisdom and generosity has been known by many. Sr Sri is a true messenger of peace… “
    That presentation is typical of our society which is concerned with degrees, certifications, years on the job (known as experience) and character. That type of resume is not important at all when we are dealing with someone who is in the path of self-realization.

    The belief that a “spiritual person” doesn’t DO some things and DO others is prevalent, as if self-realization is about denial of activities.
    The interesting thing is that most are completely unaware of who is on his way of self-realization and who isn’t, so most settle for the list of a “achievements and certifications.” Unless someone can see the aura or subtle energies of a “spiritual guru”; then they will know. Nevertheless, most individual are completely oblivious on who they have in front of them.

    Yet, a resume of accomplishments  and eloquent talk will be taken as “proof” that someone “knows.”
    This type of ingenuity sells spirituality to the masses, it is all about profit. It may seem like our society is looking for parrots who are very adept on using the mind for profit but lack the heart to relate with the core of every individual they come across.

    To know that we are “souls” is of no consequence when the only difference between the “teacher” and the student are the clothes the teacher is wearing, and the set of beliefs the teacher disseminates as “truth,” as if they were his own experience.

    For the common good.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:00 AM on April 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: awareness, , BK lies, Brahma Kumaris false predictions, brahma kumaris info, Brahma Kumaris lies, ex-l, , lies, morality,   

    Question: BK Lies, methods and BapDada 

    The questions/comments are here. I will summarize them in my response.

    Thank you Ex-L for stopping by. Your presence in this blog, is an open invitation for anyone with an interest in Brahma Kumaris.
    I’d like to acknowledge “Ex-L” contribution to changes in the BK methodology. For those of you who may not know, Ex-L is the main founder of the website “BrahmaKumaris.info.”

    A “method” is a label representing a bunch of steps, beliefs, ideas, ideals, procedures which are used with the objective to accomplish something concrete or ideal.
    “Spirituality” is full of idealistic “methods” or “yuktis” for that is the intellectual way of tackling a “problem.”
    Brahma Kumaris is an institution made by a diversity of people. There are honest and dishonest people and everything in between.
    The common BK objective is the ideal to be like God, gain salvation, a high status in the Golden age. Being a BK follower means to follow the prescribed method to accomplish that goal.

    A characteristic of a “spiritual method” is that it is never wrong. It is perfect (ideal.) But a follower may fail in following the method so failure is shifted onto the follower. If there is apparent “success” it is because of the method, which brings validity to the institution teaching the method. That is the game.

    BK ideas/beliefs may be lies to others. Even though proven lies, the method is infallible and to protect it becomes a sign of someone who is “worthwhile” (pukka.) BK procedures may be hurtful as seen by others. Their modus operandi may be devious as seen by others; but those are natural consequences of the interpretation of the method by followers. It is not “wrong” from their perspective, but “numberwise.” For a BK, the ways of society may be looked at as “wrong,” sinful, impure. There is rejection underneath. This rejection is necessary in the beginning, to transition from “normal” society into the BK method.

    A “normal” person thinks that he can distinguish what is right from what is wrong however; their selection is according to their conditioning. Society is a way of conditioning, a “method” by all means, just like BK conditioning, thus our ideas of morality are heavily conditioned.
    Hope that I clarified what I mean by the word “method.”
    Let me go into the lies now.

    “Raja Yoga is the most ancient path.”
    From the viewpoint of world history (mainstream beliefs of society) Raja Yoga may not be/ is not the most ancient path. From the viewpoint of Brahma Kumaris (the method) Raja Yoga is the most ancient, considering their belief in cyclical time and their belief that Brahma Kumaris influences the future “Deity religion” in the Golden age. Thus, when the new Kalpa “starts”, it is according to the influences of BK Raja Yoga.

    Who is lying? It all depends on what you subscribe to.
    From my perspective, a cycle means that the most ancient is at the same time, the newest thing (which is the perception of mainstream society, since the BK movement started less than 100 years ago.)

    Mainstream morality condemns lying as evil, bad, sinful, etc.
    Nevertheless, there are times when lies are not only necessary but “good.” Lies may have utilitarian or psychological value, they may be said unwillingly, by omission, for protection, etc. Thus, I lie, you lie, Brahma Kumaris lies, the rest of the world lies, Jesus Christ lies as well. His line: “ I am the son of God” from my perspective, is a lie. From a Christian’s that is the truth.

    Here is a referential link . It is about the morality of lying. As you could see it is a complex topic from an intellectual, philosophical viewpoint. Not all lies are “bad.” Intention seems to be the factor that decides the consequences of that lie. Look at the consequences of the lie. Look at the intention. Religious “spiritual” methods typically “lie” through simplicity so masses can understand. A black or white commandment: “Thou shalt not lie,” sounds “good” it is ideal, but Life is not a “black or white” “reality.” I am not defending lies. I am not defending truth, for both are 2 extremes of the same rope. A duality. Truth brings lies and lies bring truth. That is why, I have written that I do not share “truth.” I share my experiences.

    Human morality is not a standard of “goodness” in Life. But only in our society.
    BapDada does not act based upon our conditioned understanding of human morality. His perspective is different and it comes from knowing what the “Drama” (Life) is and will be, not what human morality dictates.

    Even though many “lies” of the BK institution have been disclosed with evidence, yet still people will sign up with the Brahma Kumaris. Why?
    Because people had an experience which was valuable for them. That is their valid perspective. That is their starting point in “spirituality.”
    I signed up with Brahma Kumaris because I had experiences with Brahma Baba through my sister. Without those there is no way on Earth that I could have followed the BK “method.” Along the path I met many unique individuals and had many karmic accounts to “settle” with BKs, which were necessary to change me.

    Let me clarify. I don’t mean to say that to lie is OK. There are consequences. A liar will not be trusted. That is a consequence. Many could say:  “How terrible the BKs are because they are liars, they deceive people, steal their money and try to get VIPs because they are social climbers.”  But let us not generalize. In our society, what the BKs do is legal until proven otherwise. No one better than the BKs to understand about the consequences of actions done with the intention to deceive individuals although the label used, may be  in the name of “service.” 

    Do I feel that I was conned?
    The BK method put me through a lot of experiences. 10 years of my Life with many unconventional experiences. I went honestly, full force with it from the beginning. Without the BK experience I wouldn’t be able to understand what I do now. In Life, experiences are meant to change consciousness. Humans judge whether an experience is “good” or “bad.” Life does not. It is not for me to judge the method that Life brings for change. Thus, the word I may use after about 4 years of being out of the BK movement is “thankful” rather than conned. Of course, I went through my process of feeling relief, then anger and denial, but the outcome is gratefulness. I can move on.

    We cannot say that we are over the BK experience, while we have rejection in us; while the memory of it is moving us emotionally. It is out of our system, when we could accept that others and I have the same right to go through this experience, if willing to. I have experienced very dear ones literally dying while in the BK movement, for their belief in the BK experience was very strong. That is their right, and the extent of acceptance of the BK method that I am talking about. If the BK experience lingers by upsetting us even though we are not there anymore, there is a trauma which needs to be healed.

    The BK method has many lies and false predictions, but still is “good” for many as it is. Change of consciousness does not judge if a method is made up or lies or not. What matters is to go honestly through the experiences that this method will bring. When we discover the shortcomings, the method is no longer valid for us. It is over, but an honest follower will need to discover that for himself. No second hand in it.

    “Don’t think, don’t question” is an incomplete line. It could be labeled as a half-truth or a lie.
    Don’t think, don’t question, don’t do, don’t make effort… Just BE…is the complete line… but yet, it may be a lie for others.

    For the common good.

    • ex-l 3:19 PM on April 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I’d like time to think about this more.

      One of my more pronounced criticisms of the Brahma Kumaris is that ethics and morality, or the discussion of them, really have no place or are given no emphasis within the “method”, or madness, of BKism.

      For me, not far from what you are saying, “expedience” … that is what is convenient, useful or practical for their aims … and submission and conformity to the leaders’ will are their primary guiding principles.

      Attitudes, I would argue, that are rooted in the founders’ very specific Sindi merchantile culture rather than spiritual absolutes. One thing for sure, the The Buddh’s fourth precept was not “inspired by BKism last kalpa” … unless it was a reaction against BKism.

      To start to raise questions about ethics and morality is to lead very quickly to unravelling BKism and, consequently, I would say, is responded to defensively as a threat of challenged. This was my expeirence with skilled and inveterate liars, like Janki Kirpalani.

      Within BKism, it is OK to lie and knowingly mislead, for example … and, yes, I mean lie … to the authories, non-BK family members, employers, VIPs or official immigration departments, if it is useful or beneficial to the cult. All one has to do is magically invoke Shiva in one’s “rememberance” and all karma is reduced or removed … so they claim.

      How can I say this so surely? I was told to do so by seniors.

      When is a lie and lie rather than a “method”?

      I would when it done so consciously and manipulatively, hence flagging up the “Ancient Art of Raja Yoga” canard. At least senior and educated BKs know that BK Raja Yoga is not the real “Ancient” raja Yoga of Patanjali and all BKs know that the rest of the world rejects their 5,000 Year identical cycle of time theory. Therefore, in something as key to their marketing, manipulating of others beliefs, I think we can can say it is a deliberately deception. And ‘deliberately deception’ of those less aware, less educated, more vulnerable … for the sake of self-interest or gain … has to wrong.

      Or at least very carefully used in extreme situations only.

      Again, I think you have tilted the conversation or my criticism back again to “BK ideas/beliefs may be lies to others”.

      That is a different question … who know what the “truth” is going to be at the end of time … who knows who or what The Baba™ is and what their agenda is, except for the annihilation of 7 billion human beings by nuclear war. Who even know is that is a good or bad thing (sometimes, I’ll admit, I think it would not be a bad thing as far as the environment and other species go!).

      My concern is with the deliberate and widespress practice of deception by the leaders over the followers, and by the followers to their families and outsiders, through simple, real world dishonesty.

      It’s amazing but even know, perhaps 10 years after we debunked many of their historical claims as deliberately constructed lies intent on protecting their own self image, the inner circle of BKism is still unable to accept and correct a true account of their beginnings.

      They oppose simple truths even in sincere followers and supporters, and that’s a dangerous symptom. For if they are willing and able to construct defences to even simple truths … what is their response to even more complex and difficult ones … such their claims of being god inspired and an exclusive and elitist monopoly over god etc.

      (* BTW, I found your site searching for an original version of the 16 Celestrial Degrees or Divine Arts. I see they’ve woven a few more layers on top of it. I had not been following your evolution until this time).


      • Dinesh Chawla 2:05 AM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Hey ex-I, (Ahnanda, may be it’s ex-I and not ex-L 😛 )

        This is awareness_being here, hope you kind of remember me from your bhramakumaris.info site 🙂

        It’s so good to see you here on Ahndy’s site, well Ahndy is nickname I have given him (Ahnanda). Umm, your concerns and things raised about BKs are valid, but again I would emphasise on one thing here, there are many small and mediocre organisations in India having fake gurus and they preach hanky panky stuff. We surely can’t go against everyone and stop them from doing what they are doing.

        But I am not saying that you are against BKs here, may be you want them to clarify that they are not what they claim to be… May be 🙂

        But you know something that matters is that what we want to do with our life, like in my case I want to know whether I can get rid of this cycle of birth and death or not. But so far, the cycle of birth and death is kind of confusing me… 🙂

        Anyways, hope to see more interesting stuff from you on Ahndy’s site 🙂 BTW I belong to Sindhi community too, that too from the same village of dada Lekhraj Kriplani 🙂

        Isn’t that interesting!! 🙂


    • ex-l 8:41 AM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      From the same village of dada Lekhraj Kriplani? That’s very interesting.

      I always found the Sindi family naming conventions difficult to penetrate. I read that this was deliberately done so for superstitious reasons (astrology/numerology/witchcraft) and, later, unlawful reasons … a lack of transparency in business.

      Can you confirm his original caste status?

      Yes, I agree with you regarding the “small and mediocre organisations having fake gurus” and, of course, that’s not just limited to India.

      Organised religion to me is pretty much 99.9% business and the majority are a scam.

      But this is the question Ahndy has raised … should we authenticate a scam by calling it a method.

      I can see where, in his position, it is “bad for business”, or bad “method”, to be too openly critical of BKism, if his primary readship is BKs.

      I can also understand how, having made such an intensive investment into BKism, he cannot bring himself to be too openly critical of it either. That is understandable.

      However, I reject the question of morally being dragged down to a too subjective level, that including the emphasis on “the experience”.

      And I think he is absolutely wrong, from a moral and a legal point of view, when he rights what the Brahma Kumaris does is “legal until proven otherwise”.

      That’s wrong. A crime is a crime is a crime regardless of whether the police catch me, and I am prosecuted and found guilt, or not. The majority of guilty criminals are never successfully proescuted.

      If I mug or con and old lady out of her life savings, if I traffick a young girl and make her work as an unpaid servant for years or even her life without any rights … as the Brahma Kumaris have done time and time again … I am guilty of a crime whether that old lady or young girl have the strength to report me and the police to resources to build a prosecution or not.

      We are trying to define the line between deception and dishonest, and spiritual method.

      In this case, I am attempting to defend the good name of “spiritual method” from deception and dishonesty plain and simple.

      And I’d like the BKs to stop doing the later. To stop polluting other soceities than their own.


      • Dinesh Chawla 12:04 PM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Dear ex-I,

        Thanks for your reply, I can think about going totally against BKs only after I destroy my “I”. Ahnanda may be able to know what I mean by this “I”. Observe Ahnanda’s writings, in spite of writing in English, which is a two-ness language, meaning duality exists in the language itself. He is able to explain everything yet nothing, one needs that much understanding and level of enlightenment to speak in favour or against some spiritual organisation.

        Have you heard about Master Osho, he was against all religions and spiritual organisations including BKs, he has spoken against BKs as well, but only once for 10 minutes, that was actually sufficient for him to prove that BKism is not the path of SELF realisation and God realisation. One needs that level of enlightenment to prove that something is not a valid thing. And according to me Osho did posses that level. Well Ahnanda too, but … you know… Ahnanda has said in one of his comment that Ego can’t be dissolved completely, but I need to verify that!!

        Anyways, Sindhi’s are criticised for one thing that they thing about only about their profit all the time, they are business minded people, that’s the speciality of Sindhi’s, that’s all I know about Sindhi’s being criticised. And about the village, most probably it was Hyderabad city, in the state of Sindh in Pakistan where BKs was started by Dada Lekhraj with a small satsang at his home named Om Mandli.

        Well, peace and godly love for you ex-I. 🙂


        • ahnanda 10:58 AM on April 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          You are very inquisitive and you like to improve yourself. Those are good qualities.
          A couple things that may help: Nicknames are not accepted by everyone. Ask before taking the liberty to do it. In this blog, I am known as “avyakt7-ng” or “Ahnanda.” That is what i wish to be called.

          I also suggest that quoting others without context is misquoting. You know that language is dualistic. You know that language cannot express things accurately, but yet you keep quoting others. Please share your own realizations, your own experiences and ideas.
          Osho couldn’t be against all religions and spiritual organizations, if he was a realized being. Osho merely showcased that those who thought to have “truth” were deceiving themselves and others. Since religious organizations, spiritual organizations, etc. are interested in “having truth,” these organizations were shown that in fact, they didn’t.

          As misinterpretation came around through followers, even Osho’s legacy was turned into another organization. Followers tend to water down and misinterpret the “teachings” of their gurus.


          • Dinesh Chawla 1:00 PM on April 8, 2017 Permalink | Reply

            I agree with Ahnanda, but tomorrow even if I get some of my own experience, my own realisation, my own idea, can I call it mine, can I really say that Dinesh has found it!! that experience, realisation or idea already exists out there in the universe, Dinesh is not just AWARE about it, has any scientist created any law, has any enlightened being created any TRUTH! they simply came across it!!

            Calling any experience as my experience, my idea, my realisation is also subtle ego and attachement Ahnanda… 🙂


            • avyakt7- New Generation 8:38 PM on April 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

              Even though many times we think that we “understood” the “concepts,” we did not. We may not call a realization, experience, idea as “mine,” but yet you have this idea (your idea) about liberating yourself from the cycle of birth and death.
              That idea you can talk about all you want as “yours.”
              Let me tell you about “my” experience. This is “my” experience; but it is not really “mine,” for the experience was there and I only became AWARE of it. For if I say that it is “mine” that is subtle ego and I become attached to it….
              So was that really my experience? Or should I talk about “the” experience?
              OK! This is “the” experience…
              Wait a minute! Who’s experience? Is that yours or someone else?
              It is “mine” but I cannot say “mine” for I am AWARE is not “mine.”


      • ahnanda 11:02 AM on April 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Time is precious. At this time, I do not have lots of it. Life changes.
        You have shared your views. I have shared mine. We could agree to disagree.
        Your attempts to defend the good name of spiritual methods from deception and dishonesty, are laudable. All the best to you in that huge task.


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