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  • avyakt7- New Generation 1:11 PM on January 27, 2021 Permalink | Reply
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    Question on “Shrimat”: Does it change? How is that related with “numberwise”? 

    Thank you for your question.

    I would like to invite you to read this article first. (https://avyakt7.wordpress.com/2019/09/11/the-maryadas-or-bk-code-of-conduct/) This reply will be given from 2 different perspectives, for there was a time when avyakt7 was a BK.

    From the perspective of a BK (avyakt7,) Shrimat or the “elevated directions;” are norms which every BK needs to follow. Those norms are divided into 2 kinds according to my experience: 1) The “Maryadas” or the code of conduct. Anyone who calls himself a BK needs to follow that code. Therefore, here is where “numberwise” applies. For example, a BK is supposed to eat food only prepared by her or other Bks, that is part of the code. If you decided to eat in a restaurant, then you are not following the Maryadas and therefore, there is a “number” for you. You are no longer “number 1, like the Father;” but you may be at some other number in the “ranking” for not fully following that maryada.

    The above presents some issues. For instance, some Bks may not choose to eat what another BK cooks for his “stage” may not be proper in their judgment, or the food wasn’t prepared according to the “system,” for example by not offering “bhog” or a sample of the food to ShivBaba (god) in a “bhog” ceremony or meditation, etc. There are no lines separating what should be done, but it is considered “pukka” or “firm” if following the procedures of the BK center near you, then you become “number 1.” That should be applied to every maryada or code of conduct.

    2) Shrimat given particularly to you: Here a center in charge or someone up in the hierarchy may give you a particular advise to follow. As a BK follower you should follow it, until someone in the hierarchy says otherwise. Then the issue arises as to whether you follow the latest advise or the former. That sort of “shrimat”can change according to personal situations and the “higher ups” can give those types of shrimat.

    If you are a BK, it is advisable that you “practice” the maryadas for they will give the foundation to further spiritual development. The practice of those codes will de-condition you from mainstream society. That is the main benefit when looking at it from outside of the BK world.

    Why is de-conditioning important? Because it will allow you to be aware of another perspective. Be AWARE of all the inner changes and inner conflicts throughout that phase. Many “spiritual people” know that they need to de-condition to be able to be aware of another reality, however; practically they feel too comfortable trapped in their “matrix” and just knowing things intellectually.

    From my outside perspective now (avyakt7-ng,) “Shrimat” is meant to be like training wheels when you learn to ride a bicycle. As your “stage” moves on, many things will change naturally and perhaps your life will have some of the elements of the BK maryadas. Once you learn to “ride the bike,” there is no need for training wheels. Perhaps, at that “stage” some of the BK “practices” are no longer a “practice” for you but part of your being, that is NATURAL to you.

    Avyakt7-ng would like to emphasize this phrase: “if you learn to ride the bike,” for many believe that they have done that and may not use the BK training wheels; never learning to ride the bike but believing that they have done so by using many other supports instead.

  • avyakt7- New Generation 6:00 AM on May 23, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , dharamraj, , , , , shrimat, stillness,   

    Believing in “pretty words.” 

    When someone is living Life absorbed by the mind, words are very important specially if their meaning is ambiguous.

    In my past experience with the Brahma Kumaris, I learned about certain “keywords” which no one knew what exactly those meant.
    “The power of yoga” is one of them, “Shrimat” is another, “Dharamraj,” is a mysterious one but well used when “punishment” is the incentive to be “good and obedient.”

    Do you believe that Life is about punishment and reward?
    Are punishment and reward actually “real” in a predestined Drama? How that can be? 
    Food for thought.
    But yet, the idea is that there is “punishment.” Loaded word that only brings fear to comply, which many followers label as “love.”

    The other day I received an email with the following “inspirational quote”:
    To be still is to be conscious without thought.
    Eckhart Tolle.

    Is that your experience?
    If you are a Brahma Kumaris follower; Do you know what is stillness?
    It cannot be what Tolle mentions above, for a Brahma Kumaris follower believes in “remembering Baba” as much as possible.
    Can you remember without thoughts?

    Thus, “stillness” in Brahma Kumaris is another thing. How about single pointed concentration? Most BKs may agree with that, especially if I add the word “Shiva.” Single pointed concentration on Shiva.

    What is my point?
    A pretty word is used. That word is worshiped, but it means different things for different people.

    Let me change the quote from Tolle and say:
    To BE is to be conscious without thought.
    Can we say that to BE is stillness?

    It doesn’t sound right… but once you experience BEING, you may say that the Stillness of Tolle is the same as the BEING-ness of Avyakt7- NG.

    And what about the “Stillness” of Brahma Kumaris?
    Controlling thoughts by adding a leading thought (Shiva), is the first attempt to become AWARE of thoughts. The leading thought is not the “thing” to achieve but a prop. Once we are AWARE of thoughts, we will not try to control them, but we will learn to OBSERVE if we are identified with them. When there is no identification, even though there are thoughts, there is NOBODY HAVING thoughts, then you are experiencing “stillness” despite thoughts… 🙂

    For the common good.

    • Gayathri 8:51 AM on May 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Om shanti brother.

      Yes, you have explained well about (the) ‘being’. I feel that there are many levels in understanding and practising BK philosophy. One starts with just trying to focus one’s thoughts only on Baba. And when he reaches the level of seed stage, there will be no thoughts. That is ‘stillness’ and the most powerful stage of yoga. Our sanskars get transformed easily in that stage. Baba says that if one could stay in seed stage for an hour, one can ‘burn away’ many sins ( one’s sanskars change so much during that stage that whatever suffering was needed to bring in that level of transformation would become un necessary and will be removed).

      I liked the way you explained about not identifying oneself with one’s thoughts and to be still even while having thoughts. 🙂

      I also remember Baba’s words: He used to ask (in avyakt muralis) whether we are silent only when we are alone OR, whether we could be speaking to some one (let alone just having thoughts) and still maintain ‘silence’. I used to interpret it as being a detached observer and an instrument and speak from silence, maintain the inner silence and peace even when ‘coming into sound’.

      Thanks for all your churnings.

      Gayathri ben.


      • avyakt7- New Generation 9:54 AM on May 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for your comment, sister.
        Most of what I share are my experiences, not necessarily “my churnings.” Anyone can “churn” and interpret things based on what someone else said, but honesty gets in the way of believing something that we have not experienced.
        You mentioned that the “seed stage is stillness and it is the most powerful stage of yoga.”
        Is that your experience? what do you base on the description of “most powerful stage of yoga”?

        It is my experience that “thoughts” are not mine. They come and go. Thus, for someone else who does not have that experience, I can see how he may believe that he needs to control “his” thoughts. It is my experience that what we call “I” is not something static, it is not something that we can say “this is Me.” But, when there is a “Me” then I can see the need for “salvation,” “effort,” and cut away sins and all negative words that we have been conditioned to believe exist.

        Baba mentions about a “role being recorded in a soul.” Thus, what is that “I think” that we believe in, when the role (which are thoughts) “has been recorded already”?
        Food for “thought.” 🙂

        It is ME but it isn’t….at the same time.


  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:00 AM on May 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    On “Shrimat”: The Elevated directions 

    Once someone joins the army, there are directions to follow. The army relies on consistency of follower’s activities. The army has an objective to accomplish, a task. The soldiers (followers)  are merely trained to fit into that objective.

    Thus, to follow the directions given by superiors of the hierarchy of the army, is considered to be “good.” Not to follow those directions is “bad.” Thus, soldiers can be expelled or rewarded based on their activities, their DOING.
    Similarly, is the experience with cults and religious systems. To obey the directions from “above” is mandatory to be able to stay within that system.

    In Brahma Kumaris, those directions are called “Shrimat.” That label implies that directions are “higher,” coming from a “higher authority,” God.
    It is interesting to note that Baba called the BK clan as the “salvation army” and the “Shakti army.”
    It is necessary to believe that “Shrimat” comes from God to avoid opposition, misbehavior within the system. Shrimat has to be some law or some set of directions that are applicable for the entire army. For the sake of consistency, every soldier gets the same. That is a useful stratagem to keep things in order and simple.

    Nevertheless, Shrimat has come from human beings.

    How do I know this? The cycle of time assures that whether someone goes left or right, their destination is achieved. Every experience is necessary whether we label those as “good” or “bad.” We “learn” by change of consciousness which happens through Life experiences.
    The mind may calculate: “If I do this, things may go awful for me. I may not get to heaven. Even worse, I will repeat the same “mistake” for eternity.” Thus, the individual does not DO. However, deep inside he wanted to DO. He is lying to himself.
    The negation of something will add up as a repressed activity that will show up at a later time with even greater intensity. Yes, you followed Shrimat like a good follower. You avoided something… but, it will come up again until your DOING is equal to your BEING.

    Someone may blame their sanskaras coming up despite their  intense “efforts” to follow Shrimat. Isn’t this a typical situation?
    What is missing is inner honesty. Your DOING is not according to your BEING.  BEING has to change. Shrimat is only avoiding your DOING or NOT DOING something. It is ACTION conscious, it does not deal with BEING.

    Now here is the punch line. How is that BEING going to change?
    Not necessarily by following Shrimat. That is why, Sakar Murlis (5/4/17) are now saying: “Baba takes the pulse of the soul and sees his circumstances before giving Shrimat. It is not the same for everyone.”
    Thus, Shrimat is up to God to be accurate for you. How do you know that your “elevated directions” are specific for you?  How is God speaking directly to you and not someone else? Are there any intermediary persons?
    Food for thought.

    • Gayathri 9:15 AM on May 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Yes brother. This happens many times; when one is in doubt and goes to a senior for advice, he gets some advice on the basis of shrimat. Not satisfied, he goes to another and yet another senior. Each one gives a different advice based on shrimat. Then, not satisfied with their directions (as they are not in harmony with his sanskars) he reads the muralis himself and finally catches one point that suits him in the muralis and follows it. 🙂 i did the same many times. 🙂

      Yes, the suppressed sanskars wage a powerful war when we are least anticipating them and ‘spoil’ all the (pseudo) self respect we maintained in the past few years. 😦

      Drama! i can not reach my karmateet stage till the present yug/ age comes to an end. It is good that we are reminded time and again to follow shrimat and to lead a pious life; i read the murali everyday, but the transformation that takes place in each one of us is according to the ‘script’ which is eternally made.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

      Gayathri ben.


    • avyakt7- New Generation 9:43 AM on May 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you for your comments. In fact, the “yoga of the mind” is showing us how the mind is occupied in some future event rather than the “now” which has a label “karmateet” and that we BELIEVE that is the ultimate. No difference when someone wants an expensive car or a house after working “hard” for many years. The cycle of time show us that there is no ultimate event and that we are assured that we will repeat every event again, thus…. How can we feel guilty of something that is necessary? We are told: “You could have avoided” but yet repression will be there. That is the catch 22 that religious followers experience. That is why the mentality of a renunciate is followed. It is not a matter of renunciation. It is a matter of understanding that there is timing for everything and that THAT does not depend on the “I” for the “I” is part of the Drama, Life.

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    • Kirtan 12:23 PM on April 8, 2020 Permalink | Reply

      https://youtu.be/SrD3GZ2prRM from 58:30 please listen Ramesh bhai’s experience. I know this things no longer matters for you. But I still want you to see, if you haven’t, and explain it in your words. Thanks!


  • avyakt7- New Generation 4:01 AM on May 21, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    BK “numberwise,” “Shrimat,” and “effort.” 

    Please can you also share on ” Number Wise, following Shrimat and Effort” please???
    Thank you bro!

    Great questions!
    Let us say that you had a vision. You saw beautiful people with innocent faces and well dressed up, enjoying a “Paradise” like setting. A few days later, you saw a picture of the “Golden Age” by the Brahma Kumaris.

    Observe the experience and the assumptions of the mind.
    What are the typical assumptions?
    1. What Brahma Kumaris teaches must be true, because “I” had that experience.
    2. “I” will go to that “Paradise,” for otherwise; “I” wouldn’t have had that experience. “I” need to find out what Brahma Kumaris teaches.
    In those assumptions, observe how heavily involved the “I” is.
    This is important, because everything else in your path will be built upon the confirmation of “your” experience. The “I” becomes the center of attention.

    How do “I” go to that “Paradise”?
    By following Shrimat now. The “elevated directions.”
    “You” are not worth of “Paradise” now, but when you die and after following Shrimat, you will be…
    There are lots of “DOING” for that “I” to DO now, to accomplish his objective in the “after Life.”

    “Shrimat” could be given by God (As understood by BK philosophy) or could be given by human beings (higher ranking in the organization as “instruments” of God.)
    That is where “Shrimat” gets tricky.
    Nevertheless, the “I” will follow those directions hoping to “achieve” a “higher status,” to BECOME (extension of the “I”)  someone else, an ideal.

    Where do those “elevated directions” come from?
    In the belief that a “deity” or an “elevated person” behaves in a particular way.
    For instance: “Buddha” was vegetarian. Therefore, to be “like him,” I must be vegetarian.
    Buddha didn’t have sex; thus I should follow him. Buddha woke up at 3 AM every day, thus “I” should DO that as well, “make that effort.”

    The “problem” with this approach is that “I” will act as someone who is not “Me” now. That is what I call, being dishonest, lying to yourself.
    I will not observe who I AM NOW, but rather work towards an ideal. Let us forget completely about the process, what matters is to DO these things now for otherwise “I” will  miss  a “high status,””Paradise.” Buddha had his own process before getting where he was. For him, it was “natural” for you it is “effort.” That is the big difference.

    “I” cannot wait. “I” want to be like him “now.”  That is greed.
    Therefore, Shrimat and effort.
    “Here are a set of commandments or directions. Follow them, and you will get there…” you are told and you believe it.
    Then comes another belief: “Those who practice those things closely over a long period of time, are the ones who will obtain the highest status. Those who do not, will obtain a lower status.” Thus, the concept of “numberwise” is invented  out of your greed to  have a “high status” and with that the idea of “making effort” to get there appears.
    By the way, this concept of “making effort” is not consistent with another concept: “The Drama is predestined.” It is not “your effort” anymore but it is what is already “written.” The “I” can only DO as much as his role will allow. True, you don’t know how much, but forget about “your” effort. If you go into this alone, you will discover a lot of things about that “I.”

    In my experience, there is no “DOING” that could change the consciousness of a person to BE someone different. Living Life experiences will change consciousness by itself. But the “I” is not ready to accept those teachings of Life. It has to be what the “I” have learned through a philosophy.
    The “I” wants to “control” destiny. The “I” wants to make sure that there are no “mistakes.” Thus, fear appears and with that guilt and shame. Paradoxically, with those emotions, the “I” cannot be a deity, an angel or anything “elevated.”

    “Practice over a long period of time” could lead into great repression, which is interpreted as “fighting against your evil side” and then the mind assumes that to be a “martyr,” a signal of being “good.”

    Observe the assumptions. Observe how the “I” is enticed by an ideal, completely overlooking his current state.

    Nevertheless and paradoxically, to “follow shrimat,” whatever it is; is beneficial as long as we are AWARE of the feelings that it brings and that we are honest with them. If someone wants to “fight it” for a long period of time, then that person will suffer and “karma” will be accordingly. Suffering is a way to feel that ego, which otherwise we could be unaware of.

    That is why in my experience, the Brahma Kumaris path is a path to increase ego. That is very good indeed! for unless the ego is not ripe enough, someone is not ready to dissolve it.

    Thus, concepts such as “numberwise,” “making effort,” and “shrimat,” are part of that method to increase ego.

    “Look: I woke up every day for the last 20 years at 3:30 AM to DO Amrit Vela without missing a day.”
    “Look: I opened (DOING) so many centers for Baba. I gave Gyan to 5000 people.”
    “God has chosen me. I am especial.” “ I am an angel, a deity, an ocean of knowledge…”

    Observe all the ways to increase that ego. Observe the system underneath; made for the ego to accomplish things, to be close to God, to become a Golden age deity, to become this or that, higher, elevated, pure, etc… Just observe.

    For the common good.

    • Shalini Bajpai 8:48 AM on May 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      My point of view is ego is less to do with materialistic or so called spiritual attainments..its more of a characteristic of a soul.. what i mean is if someone has the tendency to be egoistic he can be egoistic both in spiritual life or worldly life..Though i have my personal grudges against brahmakumaris but i still feel its not the gyan which increases the ego of a bk..
      it is the already present ego in them which was earlier thriving on material possessions and now on the so called spiritual life..
      the object on which ego thrives has changed…but ego was already there..
      If external things be it worldy or spirutual were the food of ego, then how at times we see someone having all attainments but still very humble or someone having very less but still full of ego..

       Ego can be very subtle..say if someone disagrees with me, i feel hurt , this is ego..

      If someone comes with a sharper analysis, i dislike it, this is ego…

      I was at the receiving end of the egoes of brahmakumari teachers and others..
      But my faith in bk continues because it is established by someone who is absolutly egoless..and
      he or it is god..


      • vageeshverma 5:40 AM on June 27, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        OmShanti Shaliniji,

        Ego is absolutely fascinating ! I think you are interpreting ‘Ego’ as just ‘Pride’ or ‘ahankar’ in hindi.But Ego is more like the feeling that we carry that ‘We’ exist as a separate identity from rest of the universe.It’s very subtle and I don’t know if it can ever be overcome ,probably can be understood.It’s difficult to understand it if one doesn’t have had any experience,words cannot do justice.On Avaykt7’s stating that Bk’s increase the ego..is the way of most spiritual paths work…so that once it reaches to a level we can no longer take it and we awaken to the reality that we are God himself or rather one with God and everything…
        A lot of what I have written I am myself trying to understand,experiment probably but you can listen to Alan Watts on youtube….who explains this and other concepts beautifully…
        Below is one such link :



    • Shalini Bajpai 8:50 AM on May 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Om shanti


    • ahnanda 5:41 PM on June 27, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you for your link! I am familiar with Alan Watts and his understanding of Zen. He is an example of someone who takes what is supposed to be experienced as intellectual discernment.

      In your link, Watts points out the futility of suffering. There is a misunderstanding of it. The follower who suffers on purpose through physical or emotional pain, believing to burn his sins or his ego or the intellectuals like Alan Watts, who even though have suffered in his own life, he does not realize it… but it is easy to see the suffering of the religious follower with his beliefs, ideas to get mukti, heaven, etc.

      Suffering is the method that Life has to dissolve ego. It is not the method that a religion will give you, it is in the awareness brought to you by Life itself. In that awareness there is the understanding of the ego that you are trying to figure out. It is an experience that cannot be given to another man. You must go through it yourself, when the time is ripe.


    • vageeshverma 3:50 AM on June 28, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Agree to most of what you say here…we all know ‘the truth’ cannot be spoken but still discuss it because we find it fascinating, probably our role in the drama 🙂
      Just like to say on the statement “or the intellectuals like Alan Watts, who even though have suffered in his own life, he does not realize it” ….its not that Alan watts didn’t realize that he suffered too…….for him happiness/ suffering go together…all opposites go together….the ‘I’ cannot choose one over another….Though watts indeed takes ‘spirituality’ as intellectual discernment but it is based on his genuine so called ‘special’ experiences …which shines through in his talks though his tone can be mundane, humorous and secular…that’s his beauty….


    • avyakt7- New Generation 3:15 PM on June 28, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      If suffering and happiness go together, then why make fun of those who “choose”to suffer to gain Mukti? That suffering is their happiness. They could have chosen “happiness” but that would have been their suffering… There is a point where intellectual stuff becomes so unnecessary….


    • vageeshverma 4:05 AM on June 29, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Watts is not making fun of anyone. He uses contrasts and accentuates it to bring across a point because we understand things only by way of contrasts…
      In his words “There will always be suffering. But we must not suffer over the suffering “…which typically happens with people interested in’spirituality’.. Anyways not my intention to make you a fan of watts 🙂


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