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  • avyakt7- New Generation 11:36 AM on June 20, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , deeds, , , karmana, mansa, , spirituality, , , wacha, words   

    Question: How to make thoughts, words and deeds to be the same? 

    “I need your help to explain us two of the very beneficial teachings which I still have not been able to implement 100%, but want to as they are required to keep the flow of my life smoother. So here are those two teachings:
    No 1: Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony, what you think, same thinking should be reflected in your words and actions. (Mansa, Wacha and Karmana should be same)
    No 2: Abstain yourself from creation of waste thoughts.
    The only reason I still want to implement these two teachings in me is that I think about one thing, I say another thing and end up doing totally different third thing in actions. Can you PLEASE explain what a person can do (By now I know that you use DO and BE in caps in all of your articles ) to implement these two things by being and by not being a BK.”

    Thank you for your interesting question.

    Yes, I use caps for BE and DO, hoping readers will find that there is a huge difference.
    In your question, you want to “implement” a teaching. That sounds to me like “office world” conditioning. There, you implement plans, implement solutions, etc.
    When we are referring to BEING, it does not work like that.

    When the Brahma Kumaris teachings says: “Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony or be the same,” that teaching is not telling the follower to DO something, to implement something to “achieve” that goal, although that is the interpretation. Followers are unaware of the “office word” conditioning and unaware of how DOING something who you are not, only covers who you ARE .

    That teaching is merely describing how a BEING in harmony will express himself. Most want to BE that, but they do not acknowledge who they ARE now first. They just reject that.

    Let me ask the question: Are “your” thoughts really “yours”? If they are, why you cannot stop them at will? Why is it so difficult to “create” loving, good, wholesome thoughts all the time?
    That is the first realization to go into.

    BEING attracts particular thoughts. Thus, what about if you find that those thoughts are not really created, willfully thought by you, but that they just appear?
    Then the realization to OBSERVE those thoughts will be obvious, to use another Brahma Kumaris teaching, to be a “detached observer” of those thoughts.

    If you OBSERVE those thoughts appearing in the sky of your mind, could we say that “you need to abstain from creating waste thoughts”?
    We cannot, for those are not “my” thoughts.
    What is the issue then? We are not AWARE to OBSERVE. We IDENTIFY with everything that is going through the mind as “mine.”

    If there is that detachment from thoughts, what will be the problem then? None. If you FEEL what your ACTION should be and DO it; wouldn’t your words be along those lines?
    But we are afraid of discovering who we ARE. We want to look respectable, we want to DO the “right” thing and not DO according to what truly I AM. Thus, we miss the greatest opportunity to discover who I AM. It is through that discovery how change happens without DOING a thing.

    Would you like to DO something useful in your Life?
    Learn to OBSERVE yourself. Learn to read yourself as you can do with a friend. This is not meant to judge yourself, but to allow that to BE, so if you realize it, see it, not intellectually but consciously, change is inevitable.

    However, most “spiritual” teachings have been distorted through some “easy to follow” interpretation to cater to the masses.

    This is easy to understand: If you don’t like it, change it. If you think bad things, change it to good things… The power is on that “I” but yet, “I” cannot stop thoughts.
    We are not aware on how we change the original bad thought into a good one by faking it. The root is “bad” and we change the branch and leaf of the tree of a thought to make it “good.”
    That is called inner dishonesty.

    How long can we go with that “practice”? Until we become AWARE.

    For the common good.

     
  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:58 AM on June 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    God in Brahma Kumaris 

    Conditioning could be successful if there is an authority to obey behind it or a strong feeling, which will take us to do things and believe things which otherwise we wouldn’t.

    The conditioning of mainstream society has power, for there are authorities behind it: The law and their representatives, religious leaders, politicians, business owners, etc. There is a hierarchy which is built upon each level. A member of society knows about obeying certain things and the consequences of not doing so. The concept of punishment is introduced and that will shape our view of the world and the one beyond.

    Who is the authority to follow beyond this current existence?
    Obviously our “leaders” have no clout over the “after life.”
    That is how “God” was introduced in mainstream. If we observe his “job description,” it is a mirror of our society’s hierarchy, which is clearly seen in the most popular religions. He is the “one to obey” (love) to fear, to get salvation from or to be punished if his law is not followed.

    The collective consciousness understands this easily. That is my point: The realms beyond the physical world do not comply with our understanding or our laws. Human understanding is limited by conditioning.

    The question then, is not whether God exists or doesn’t. The question is, if we are willing to look, to observe deconditioned.

    In Brahma Kumaris, the “job description” of God changed completely. God is no longer the “creator.” God is no longer the one who punishes disobedient people. God is no longer watching everyone, everywhere. God is the one who gives “knowledge.”
    However, most followers do not understand this knowledge, no matter how long they have been following.

    The title of “God” then is changed to “Supreme Soul.” Another set of beliefs could be added to make a difference between a human soul and the “supreme” soul. Observe the power of words, the terminology used, basically refers to the same thing:  The Authority.

    An “experience” with the realm beyond the physical is cherished by most. Sure, it is unique. This will give the opportunity to affirm our ego: “I am special.” Moreover, we could add the word “god” to make our experience the “top one.”

    “I have experienced God.”
    Avyakt7 knew that line very well. Avyakt7-NG (Ahnanda) respects that, and sees the personal evolution through that.

    For a kid, to say “dad” is important. Everyone else says it and beyond the word is the feeling of having someone near and dear, someone who cares. When humanity feels in despair, God is very important to feel that company and like “Santa Claus,” someone will play that role, to bring smiles and joy to those kids. That is the gift of God.
    Of course, human ego can only see that their “Santa Claus” is the only and true Santa. That is how many religions appeared and how the clothes wore by Santa became more important than the person inside them.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 5:15 AM on June 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hi Ahnanda, When I was involved with BKs, I had tried implementing most of the teachings of Murlis, but amongst those, I need your help to explain us two of the very beneficial teachings which I still have not been able to implement 100%, but want to as they are required to keep the flow of my life smoother. So here are those two teachings:

      No 1: Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony, what you think, same thinking should be reflected in your words and actions. (Mansa, Wacha and Karmana should be same)

      No 2: Abstain yourself from creation of waste thoughts.

      The only reason I still want to implement these two teachings in me is that I think about one thing, I say another thing and end up doing totally different third thing in actions. Can you PLEASE explain what a person can do (By now I know that you use DO and BE in caps in all of your articles 🙂 ) to implement these two things by being and by not being a BK.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 10:52 AM on June 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , bk path, , , deconditioning, , , , satopradhan, sinful, spirituality,   

    Deconditioning through Brahma Kumaris 

    Our consciousness will change once there is experiential awareness. Consciousness does not change by mere regurgitation of “Knowledge/ Gyan.”

    For this to happen, there is a need for a space away from the elements of conditioning. In most cases, society is the biggest source of conditioning, thus anything that will keep us away from society will give us the space needed for awareness to appear.

    In my time as a Brahma Kumaris follower, I can now see; how the above explanation was present.
    To hang out only with BK followers, to only eat the food prepared by them, to follow their codes of conduct and to spend most of my time with Brahma Kumaris “business,” was the way to create that space of separation from mainstream society.

    Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to see at that time how deconditioning was operating: I wasn’t watching TV or going to the movies, for that was considered a waste of time and a source of “tamopradhan” vibes. I wasn’t around my family members. Work was “better” if it did not take much of my time after the requirements to sustain myself were fulfilled. Sexuality was shut down as a way to avoid further mingling and attachment with others and my body. In a nutshell, most ways of conditioning that society values, were taken away. At that time, my mind was “black or white,” as the knowledge/Gyan appeared to me: “I am becoming satopradhan (good) while society’s way was corrupted, tamopradhan. A rejection to mainstream society arrived, which was largely supported by hearing the daily Sakar Murlis.

    Observe how deconditioning takes place, although; a new conditioning was placed in my mind instead. This conditioning is the one that becomes hard for a “firm” follower to get rid of, once the person leaves the Brahma Kumaris movement.
    Why?
    The feeling of guilt is unavoidable. The Brahma Kumaris movement is an extraordinary deconditioning path, which leaves no way to “escape” for a follower who is preoccupied in gaining Godly favors in heaven or in this Life, or for a follower who has this idea that to be “good” is to follow a script given by someone else. Usually this follower is an achiever, who is trading mainstream ways into what he may think are “spiritual” ways.  This follower has fear of failure and not to comply with the teachings of “god.”  That fear will manifest eventually in anger.

    An ex-follower will use scientific evidence to prove the BK teachings “wrong,” to be at peace with his guilt. Science is one of the greatest conditioning paths that mainstream society has. To believe in scientific research is for the BEING, at the same level of believing in some deep rooted traditional belief system. Both conditioning paths, will take away the ability of the individual to discover his own truth, to observe himself, to become AWARE.

    Nevertheless, conditionings paths are not “bad.” They are necessary to live in society, in groups. But, for someone who is walking the path of self-realization, these props of conditioning will need to be left aside, to discover our own self. This event has a timing and it is different for every individual.

    For the common good.

     
  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:00 AM on April 27, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , no-i, repeating cycle, repeating kalpa, spirituality   

    Going beyond the repetition 

    Last article pointed out some shortcomings of disclosing “knowledge” to individuals.

    The cycle of time could be a painful “truth” for some when disclosed in Brahma Kumaris classes. The palliative medicine is “Baba has said 75% happiness 25% unhappiness.”
    Very few realize the core of the Brahma Kumaris method: The significance of the “I.”
    It is that “I” that most individuals perceive as a static, unchanged entity the “true” Maya. This “I” is only “real” at one level of consciousness. The Brahma Kumaris method is effective in increasing this “I” for the follower’s awareness.

    There is never a point in our lives when a static entity which we call “I” exists.  Even though it is easy to demonstrate this by just looking at the mirror every day, our awareness does not go deep into our consciousness to observe those changes in our Life journey. Our memories are what binds together the illusion of being the same person, the same “I.” Without memories, what can we call “I”?

    Please contemplate the last phrase.
    Memories are necessary in this lifetime, so we can play the game in society: “I earned 20K per year, 10 years ago. I earn 35K now.” We call that “improvement.” Who is improving? “I.” Nevertheless, the person now and the one from 10 years ago, both are different, they have different consciousness. Memories are the only link.

    That memory becomes a source of fear in Life when we believe that “I” will experience the same thing again, but the one before the experience is different than the one after the experience.

    We ARE not the same. Yes, the soul is there as an empty container, but the movie giving us consciousness will be totally different. That is why, there is no one in this Life going to Paradise in the future. Am “I” going to heaven? NO! “I” will not be there. The soul maybe there, but it will have a complete different “software,” different consciousness. Is that “I,” ME?
    NO.

    When we “die” and take another body; typically, we will not remember our last Life. Have you noticed that?  Lack of memory means newness.
    That is how newness will appear “again,” in that empty container which we call “soul.” Therefore, after a cycle there is no memory of what we went through in this Lifetime. Where is that “I” that will go through the same exact experience then?
    Nowhere, but in our imagination now.

    We are so attached to those memories which are giving us identity. 

    To explain the cycle of time could be hurtful without the understanding and hopefully experience of “No-I.”
    That is why it was said in another article: Who are you?
    I AM and I AM NOT. Both at the same time.
    However, “No-I” is not part of the Brahma Kumaris curricula, for their method is meant to increase the “I.”

     
    For the common good.

     
  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:00 AM on April 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , consciousnes, ideas, language, questions, , spirituality   

    Question: How can one experience what one can only understand? 

    Brother Ahnanda has used BK knowledge may be to explain “Adwaita” philosophy, where God and you are considered as one, correct me if I am wrong
    I have come across such thing through some other ways as well, but never thought that BK gyan can also be used to explain same… Ahnanda is really a great thinker you know…
    But brother, theoretically it is quite easy to understand, but how one can experience such thing, like the “I” and “God” both as one? Because through you, to some extent I have understood that experience is what matter the most, right!

    Thank you for your question.
    Ahnanda says that “we” are all one. You see, I am placing “we” in quotes. There is no “we” in Life. In our society, there is a “we.” In our language, “we” need to use the word “we” for otherwise, there will be misunderstanding. Thus, depending on the game that you are playing, there is a “we” and… there is not. 🙂

    You are saying that “God and you (I) are considered one in some philosophy.”
    You believe that I have explained the same thing through BK knowledge.

    That is your misunderstanding.

    ONE.
    The Drama/Life is ONE. End of report.

    You say that Ahnanda is a great thinker.
    That is your misunderstanding.

    Weren’t you the one who wrote: “but tomorrow even if I get some of my own experience, my own realisation, my own idea, can I call it mine, can I really say that Dinesh has found it!! “ ?? ….. has any scientist created any law, has any enlightened being created any TRUTH! they simply came across it!!

    Paraphrasing what you said: “I simply came across that thought.”

    You ask, “how one can experience such thing, like the “I” and “God” both as one?”
    Obviously, when you come across it, right? 🙂

    You said: “Because through you, to some extent I have understood that experience is what matter the most, right!”

    That is your misunderstanding.
    In Life. there are experiences. Experiences are Life.
    The question is: Who experiences the experiences?

    The answer could be “I” but then, who is that “I”?
    A soul? A Spirit? A body? another label?
    No more labels! There is “someone” who experiences, but to experience you need to be AWARE, CONSCIOUS… right?

    Does awareness depend on “you”? How about consciousness?
    If it is not “your” idea, your realization, your experience (As you have said) and those depend on “your” awareness and consciousness… then, what depends on “you”? 🙂
    Right there may be the answer you are looking for. I will not spell it out this time, as it may be misunderstood. But..that is what I said through BK knowledge in the last article.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 2:14 AM on April 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hmm Thanks Ahnanda, may be my eagerness to understand so many things is becoming misunderstanding … I still need to work a lot on my self… but thanks a lot for your reply brother… Om shanti 🙂

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:00 AM on April 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , BK lies, Brahma Kumaris false predictions, brahma kumaris info, Brahma Kumaris lies, ex-l, , lies, morality, spirituality   

    Question: BK Lies, methods and BapDada 

    The questions/comments are here. I will summarize them in my response.

    Thank you Ex-L for stopping by. Your presence in this blog, is an open invitation for anyone with an interest in Brahma Kumaris.
    I’d like to acknowledge “Ex-L” contribution to changes in the BK methodology. For those of you who may not know, Ex-L is the main founder of the website “BrahmaKumaris.info.”

    A “method” is a label representing a bunch of steps, beliefs, ideas, ideals, procedures which are used with the objective to accomplish something concrete or ideal.
    “Spirituality” is full of idealistic “methods” or “yuktis” for that is the intellectual way of tackling a “problem.”
    Brahma Kumaris is an institution made by a diversity of people. There are honest and dishonest people and everything in between.
    The common BK objective is the ideal to be like God, gain salvation, a high status in the Golden age. Being a BK follower means to follow the prescribed method to accomplish that goal.

    A characteristic of a “spiritual method” is that it is never wrong. It is perfect (ideal.) But a follower may fail in following the method so failure is shifted onto the follower. If there is apparent “success” it is because of the method, which brings validity to the institution teaching the method. That is the game.

    BK ideas/beliefs may be lies to others. Even though proven lies, the method is infallible and to protect it becomes a sign of someone who is “worthwhile” (pukka.) BK procedures may be hurtful as seen by others. Their modus operandi may be devious as seen by others; but those are natural consequences of the interpretation of the method by followers. It is not “wrong” from their perspective, but “numberwise.” For a BK, the ways of society may be looked at as “wrong,” sinful, impure. There is rejection underneath. This rejection is necessary in the beginning, to transition from “normal” society into the BK method.

    A “normal” person thinks that he can distinguish what is right from what is wrong however; their selection is according to their conditioning. Society is a way of conditioning, a “method” by all means, just like BK conditioning, thus our ideas of morality are heavily conditioned.
    Hope that I clarified what I mean by the word “method.”
    Let me go into the lies now.

    “Raja Yoga is the most ancient path.”
    From the viewpoint of world history (mainstream beliefs of society) Raja Yoga may not be/ is not the most ancient path. From the viewpoint of Brahma Kumaris (the method) Raja Yoga is the most ancient, considering their belief in cyclical time and their belief that Brahma Kumaris influences the future “Deity religion” in the Golden age. Thus, when the new Kalpa “starts”, it is according to the influences of BK Raja Yoga.

    Who is lying? It all depends on what you subscribe to.
    From my perspective, a cycle means that the most ancient is at the same time, the newest thing (which is the perception of mainstream society, since the BK movement started less than 100 years ago.)

    Mainstream morality condemns lying as evil, bad, sinful, etc.
    Nevertheless, there are times when lies are not only necessary but “good.” Lies may have utilitarian or psychological value, they may be said unwillingly, by omission, for protection, etc. Thus, I lie, you lie, Brahma Kumaris lies, the rest of the world lies, Jesus Christ lies as well. His line: “ I am the son of God” from my perspective, is a lie. From a Christian’s that is the truth.

    Here is a referential link . It is about the morality of lying. As you could see it is a complex topic from an intellectual, philosophical viewpoint. Not all lies are “bad.” Intention seems to be the factor that decides the consequences of that lie. Look at the consequences of the lie. Look at the intention. Religious “spiritual” methods typically “lie” through simplicity so masses can understand. A black or white commandment: “Thou shalt not lie,” sounds “good” it is ideal, but Life is not a “black or white” “reality.” I am not defending lies. I am not defending truth, for both are 2 extremes of the same rope. A duality. Truth brings lies and lies bring truth. That is why, I have written that I do not share “truth.” I share my experiences.

    Human morality is not a standard of “goodness” in Life. But only in our society.
    BapDada does not act based upon our conditioned understanding of human morality. His perspective is different and it comes from knowing what the “Drama” (Life) is and will be, not what human morality dictates.

    Even though many “lies” of the BK institution have been disclosed with evidence, yet still people will sign up with the Brahma Kumaris. Why?
    Because people had an experience which was valuable for them. That is their valid perspective. That is their starting point in “spirituality.”
    I signed up with Brahma Kumaris because I had experiences with Brahma Baba through my sister. Without those there is no way on Earth that I could have followed the BK “method.” Along the path I met many unique individuals and had many karmic accounts to “settle” with BKs, which were necessary to change me.

    Let me clarify. I don’t mean to say that to lie is OK. There are consequences. A liar will not be trusted. That is a consequence. Many could say:  “How terrible the BKs are because they are liars, they deceive people, steal their money and try to get VIPs because they are social climbers.”  But let us not generalize. In our society, what the BKs do is legal until proven otherwise. No one better than the BKs to understand about the consequences of actions done with the intention to deceive individuals although the label used, may be  in the name of “service.” 

    Do I feel that I was conned?
    The BK method put me through a lot of experiences. 10 years of my Life with many unconventional experiences. I went honestly, full force with it from the beginning. Without the BK experience I wouldn’t be able to understand what I do now. In Life, experiences are meant to change consciousness. Humans judge whether an experience is “good” or “bad.” Life does not. It is not for me to judge the method that Life brings for change. Thus, the word I may use after about 4 years of being out of the BK movement is “thankful” rather than conned. Of course, I went through my process of feeling relief, then anger and denial, but the outcome is gratefulness. I can move on.

    We cannot say that we are over the BK experience, while we have rejection in us; while the memory of it is moving us emotionally. It is out of our system, when we could accept that others and I have the same right to go through this experience, if willing to. I have experienced very dear ones literally dying while in the BK movement, for their belief in the BK experience was very strong. That is their right, and the extent of acceptance of the BK method that I am talking about. If the BK experience lingers by upsetting us even though we are not there anymore, there is a trauma which needs to be healed.

    The BK method has many lies and false predictions, but still is “good” for many as it is. Change of consciousness does not judge if a method is made up or lies or not. What matters is to go honestly through the experiences that this method will bring. When we discover the shortcomings, the method is no longer valid for us. It is over, but an honest follower will need to discover that for himself. No second hand in it.

    “Don’t think, don’t question” is an incomplete line. It could be labeled as a half-truth or a lie.
    Don’t think, don’t question, don’t do, don’t make effort… Just BE…is the complete line… but yet, it may be a lie for others.

    For the common good.

     
    • ex-l 3:19 PM on April 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I’d like time to think about this more.

      One of my more pronounced criticisms of the Brahma Kumaris is that ethics and morality, or the discussion of them, really have no place or are given no emphasis within the “method”, or madness, of BKism.

      For me, not far from what you are saying, “expedience” … that is what is convenient, useful or practical for their aims … and submission and conformity to the leaders’ will are their primary guiding principles.

      Attitudes, I would argue, that are rooted in the founders’ very specific Sindi merchantile culture rather than spiritual absolutes. One thing for sure, the The Buddh’s fourth precept was not “inspired by BKism last kalpa” … unless it was a reaction against BKism.

      To start to raise questions about ethics and morality is to lead very quickly to unravelling BKism and, consequently, I would say, is responded to defensively as a threat of challenged. This was my expeirence with skilled and inveterate liars, like Janki Kirpalani.

      Within BKism, it is OK to lie and knowingly mislead, for example … and, yes, I mean lie … to the authories, non-BK family members, employers, VIPs or official immigration departments, if it is useful or beneficial to the cult. All one has to do is magically invoke Shiva in one’s “rememberance” and all karma is reduced or removed … so they claim.

      How can I say this so surely? I was told to do so by seniors.

      When is a lie and lie rather than a “method”?

      I would when it done so consciously and manipulatively, hence flagging up the “Ancient Art of Raja Yoga” canard. At least senior and educated BKs know that BK Raja Yoga is not the real “Ancient” raja Yoga of Patanjali and all BKs know that the rest of the world rejects their 5,000 Year identical cycle of time theory. Therefore, in something as key to their marketing, manipulating of others beliefs, I think we can can say it is a deliberately deception. And ‘deliberately deception’ of those less aware, less educated, more vulnerable … for the sake of self-interest or gain … has to wrong.

      Or at least very carefully used in extreme situations only.

      Again, I think you have tilted the conversation or my criticism back again to “BK ideas/beliefs may be lies to others”.

      That is a different question … who know what the “truth” is going to be at the end of time … who knows who or what The Baba™ is and what their agenda is, except for the annihilation of 7 billion human beings by nuclear war. Who even know is that is a good or bad thing (sometimes, I’ll admit, I think it would not be a bad thing as far as the environment and other species go!).

      My concern is with the deliberate and widespress practice of deception by the leaders over the followers, and by the followers to their families and outsiders, through simple, real world dishonesty.

      It’s amazing but even know, perhaps 10 years after we debunked many of their historical claims as deliberately constructed lies intent on protecting their own self image, the inner circle of BKism is still unable to accept and correct a true account of their beginnings.

      They oppose simple truths even in sincere followers and supporters, and that’s a dangerous symptom. For if they are willing and able to construct defences to even simple truths … what is their response to even more complex and difficult ones … such their claims of being god inspired and an exclusive and elitist monopoly over god etc.

      (* BTW, I found your site searching for an original version of the 16 Celestrial Degrees or Divine Arts. I see they’ve woven a few more layers on top of it. I had not been following your evolution until this time).

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      • Dinesh Chawla 2:05 AM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Hey ex-I, (Ahnanda, may be it’s ex-I and not ex-L 😛 )

        This is awareness_being here, hope you kind of remember me from your bhramakumaris.info site 🙂

        It’s so good to see you here on Ahndy’s site, well Ahndy is nickname I have given him (Ahnanda). Umm, your concerns and things raised about BKs are valid, but again I would emphasise on one thing here, there are many small and mediocre organisations in India having fake gurus and they preach hanky panky stuff. We surely can’t go against everyone and stop them from doing what they are doing.

        But I am not saying that you are against BKs here, may be you want them to clarify that they are not what they claim to be… May be 🙂

        But you know something that matters is that what we want to do with our life, like in my case I want to know whether I can get rid of this cycle of birth and death or not. But so far, the cycle of birth and death is kind of confusing me… 🙂

        Anyways, hope to see more interesting stuff from you on Ahndy’s site 🙂 BTW I belong to Sindhi community too, that too from the same village of dada Lekhraj Kriplani 🙂

        Isn’t that interesting!! 🙂

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    • ex-l 8:41 AM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      From the same village of dada Lekhraj Kriplani? That’s very interesting.

      I always found the Sindi family naming conventions difficult to penetrate. I read that this was deliberately done so for superstitious reasons (astrology/numerology/witchcraft) and, later, unlawful reasons … a lack of transparency in business.

      Can you confirm his original caste status?

      Yes, I agree with you regarding the “small and mediocre organisations having fake gurus” and, of course, that’s not just limited to India.

      Organised religion to me is pretty much 99.9% business and the majority are a scam.

      But this is the question Ahndy has raised … should we authenticate a scam by calling it a method.

      I can see where, in his position, it is “bad for business”, or bad “method”, to be too openly critical of BKism, if his primary readship is BKs.

      I can also understand how, having made such an intensive investment into BKism, he cannot bring himself to be too openly critical of it either. That is understandable.

      However, I reject the question of morally being dragged down to a too subjective level, that including the emphasis on “the experience”.

      And I think he is absolutely wrong, from a moral and a legal point of view, when he rights what the Brahma Kumaris does is “legal until proven otherwise”.

      That’s wrong. A crime is a crime is a crime regardless of whether the police catch me, and I am prosecuted and found guilt, or not. The majority of guilty criminals are never successfully proescuted.

      If I mug or con and old lady out of her life savings, if I traffick a young girl and make her work as an unpaid servant for years or even her life without any rights … as the Brahma Kumaris have done time and time again … I am guilty of a crime whether that old lady or young girl have the strength to report me and the police to resources to build a prosecution or not.

      We are trying to define the line between deception and dishonest, and spiritual method.

      In this case, I am attempting to defend the good name of “spiritual method” from deception and dishonesty plain and simple.

      And I’d like the BKs to stop doing the later. To stop polluting other soceities than their own.

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      • Dinesh Chawla 12:04 PM on April 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Dear ex-I,

        Thanks for your reply, I can think about going totally against BKs only after I destroy my “I”. Ahnanda may be able to know what I mean by this “I”. Observe Ahnanda’s writings, in spite of writing in English, which is a two-ness language, meaning duality exists in the language itself. He is able to explain everything yet nothing, one needs that much understanding and level of enlightenment to speak in favour or against some spiritual organisation.

        Have you heard about Master Osho, he was against all religions and spiritual organisations including BKs, he has spoken against BKs as well, but only once for 10 minutes, that was actually sufficient for him to prove that BKism is not the path of SELF realisation and God realisation. One needs that level of enlightenment to prove that something is not a valid thing. And according to me Osho did posses that level. Well Ahnanda too, but … you know… Ahnanda has said in one of his comment that Ego can’t be dissolved completely, but I need to verify that!!

        Anyways, Sindhi’s are criticised for one thing that they thing about only about their profit all the time, they are business minded people, that’s the speciality of Sindhi’s, that’s all I know about Sindhi’s being criticised. And about the village, most probably it was Hyderabad city, in the state of Sindh in Pakistan where BKs was started by Dada Lekhraj with a small satsang at his home named Om Mandli.

        Well, peace and godly love for you ex-I. 🙂

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        • ahnanda 10:58 AM on April 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          Dinesh,
          You are very inquisitive and you like to improve yourself. Those are good qualities.
          A couple things that may help: Nicknames are not accepted by everyone. Ask before taking the liberty to do it. In this blog, I am known as “avyakt7-ng” or “Ahnanda.” That is what i wish to be called.

          I also suggest that quoting others without context is misquoting. You know that language is dualistic. You know that language cannot express things accurately, but yet you keep quoting others. Please share your own realizations, your own experiences and ideas.
          Osho couldn’t be against all religions and spiritual organizations, if he was a realized being. Osho merely showcased that those who thought to have “truth” were deceiving themselves and others. Since religious organizations, spiritual organizations, etc. are interested in “having truth,” these organizations were shown that in fact, they didn’t.

          As misinterpretation came around through followers, even Osho’s legacy was turned into another organization. Followers tend to water down and misinterpret the “teachings” of their gurus.

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          • Dinesh Chawla 1:00 PM on April 8, 2017 Permalink | Reply

            I agree with Ahnanda, but tomorrow even if I get some of my own experience, my own realisation, my own idea, can I call it mine, can I really say that Dinesh has found it!! that experience, realisation or idea already exists out there in the universe, Dinesh is not just AWARE about it, has any scientist created any law, has any enlightened being created any TRUTH! they simply came across it!!

            Calling any experience as my experience, my idea, my realisation is also subtle ego and attachement Ahnanda… 🙂

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            • avyakt7- New Generation 8:38 PM on April 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

              Even though many times we think that we “understood” the “concepts,” we did not. We may not call a realization, experience, idea as “mine,” but yet you have this idea (your idea) about liberating yourself from the cycle of birth and death.
              That idea you can talk about all you want as “yours.”
              Let me tell you about “my” experience. This is “my” experience; but it is not really “mine,” for the experience was there and I only became AWARE of it. For if I say that it is “mine” that is subtle ego and I become attached to it….
              So was that really my experience? Or should I talk about “the” experience?
              OK! This is “the” experience…
              Wait a minute! Who’s experience? Is that yours or someone else?
              It is “mine” but I cannot say “mine” for I am AWARE is not “mine.”

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      • ahnanda 11:02 AM on April 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Ex-L,
        Time is precious. At this time, I do not have lots of it. Life changes.
        You have shared your views. I have shared mine. We could agree to disagree.
        Your attempts to defend the good name of spiritual methods from deception and dishonesty, are laudable. All the best to you in that huge task.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:00 AM on March 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: avyakt murli, , , , , , , , politics, spirituality   

    Questions: BapDada’s ways… 

    ..Although I have left BKs completely, don’t do amrit vela, no more morning murli classes thrice a week… 🙂 But recently, I started reading murli’s again from a different consciousness, not the judgemental consciousness but with inquisitive awareness 🙂
    So recently, bapdada has spoken about comparison between double foreigners and Indians (Bharatwasis), first bapdada goes on a tour with his children for something that he only knows!

    Now the first question here is, does that tour actually happens or it is a way of bapdada teaching something to his children through some way of telling a story kind of thing?

    Thank you for your question. “Inquisitive awareness” is not a different type of consciousness. It is your same consciousness with a different belief system. That is all.
    Your first answer is BOTH. BapDada moves in a different level (subtle) which most individuals in the physical plane are unaware of. The subtle level has great impact on the physical level.

    He goes ahead and states that on his tour he saw that Westerners have started becoming more spiritual than Indians, although spirituality belongs to Indians and not westeners!
    Now second question is, why baba is comparing at first and secondly how come spirituality belongs to only Indians and not to entire humanity? Why Indians are said by baba to be of highest thing, and westerner of low clan! Isn’t it prejudice!

    Second answer: Baba is making a point by using a comparison. Yes, “Spirituality” was made up by Indians. The Guru that could walk on water, the one who could be buried alive for many days and still live, the one who could project his image to many followers in different cities at the same time, the one who could get favors from spirits, the one who could do many “miracles,” the one who could predict the future etc… and their methods to be “more spiritual” such as mortifying the body, denying pleasure to the senses, controlling eating, sleeping, breathing, sex, etc. Who invented all that “spirituality”? Indians for the most part. That is the spirituality exported to Westerners.
    Most “normal” people will look for those “spiritual masters” for show value or need.
    Ahnanda has shared that he does not see any value in the word “spirituality” but rather in “living Life with joy.” That kind of “spirituality” does not belong to Indians, but to the whole world.

    I have never heard in a Murli, that Baba is making the point that Indians “are higher and Westerners of lower clan.” As far as I see, that “prejudice” may be only a distortion of your mind unless you could show more evidence.

    He goes further and says that today, countries are being run helplessly (in majbori), politicians are not willing to run the countries but they still for the sake of just doing it!
    Third question is, why God is interfering in politics and all, here on earth, people who attain enlightenment don’t speak about politics at all! That’s what my knowledge about enlightened beings says! How God can comment on politics! He says that we need souls of flying stage (udti kala) to run a country properly!

    The answer of your third question is : You are generalizing through a belief that enlightened beings do not speak about politics.
    An enlightened individual could speak about politics and say any words he wishes to, depending on the need of time and circumstances. Jesus was part of the politics of his time. His crucifixion was all politics. Similarly, Osho was in jail in the USA for political reasons. Enlightenment does not mean to be restricted to comply with some belief that “this is spiritual” and “that is not.”

    Well, I request you to take these questions that I have asked and please help us in understanding from a different consciousness.

    I cannot help anyone understand from a different consciousness. Consciousness happens.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 11:58 AM on April 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Okay, thank you so much for yours answers, after I read answers and while I was reading, I got a few thing from myself, is Ahnanda not being SELF contradictory in his second answer! Can comparison be used with BEING with comparison!
      well if I go ahead with my reply, I will simply be argumentative and may be like my ego will start proving me right rather accepting Ahnanda’s answers!
      Ahnanda has advised us to be free from words, to go beyond words, I personally too think that it’s time for me to go beyond words and seek more of my own SILENT consciousness 🙂

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      • Dinesh Chawla 11:59 AM on April 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        I mean “Can comparison be used without BEING with comparison” 🙂 in above reply.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 10:53 AM on February 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    BapDada: When a religion defines what “God” should be 

    It is apparent that Life is full of “exceptions” to the “rule,” but yet when a dogma is more important than Life itself, then the mental dogma will rule over Life.
    This is an issue of seeing Life as a “black or white” matter of fact.
    This automatically will blind a person from seeing the many colors that Life offers.

    Why?
    Because is “secure” to see only 2 colors. If we call the color “White” as “good” and the “Black” as “bad,” we have made things easy for the masses to follow.
    Exceptions to that are not encouraged for any exception will take the follower out of the dogma. In a “subtle way,” we are expressing that a religion and its dogmatic view is most important than Life which is full of exceptions, full of colors.

    BapDada has “no choice” but to follow the script made by a religion.

    It is as when a Milk company hires a rock star to endorse its products.
    Even though the rock star may suffer from Milk intolerance, he has to say: “Drink Milk: It is good for you.”

    BapDada, as we know him now, does not resemble a bit the person/entity that is portrayed behind the Sakar Murlis. To believe that by following those words, a person will “go to heaven” is just a belief in lieu of knowing that every person is different and have different experiences. Reality is full of exceptions, the ideal does not.  Nevertheless, I truly understand that Sakar Murlis are a very important part of the BK method which is geared for the masses. There is no individual journey when we are dealing with the collective consciousness.

    Many could say: “Why BapDada does not oppose? He is God after all…”
    That question comes from individuals who only know their own little world and extrapolate their conditioning to everyone and everything.

    BapDada is not about “Action” now. BapDada is a detached observer. This is the time for the “children” to act, to change, to make up their own versions based upon their limited understanding,  to unleash their own little dramas etc. All is good. 🙂
    Because the Drama is predestined, BapDada knows what will happen.
    Thus, he relaxes, unwinds, says hello to the “children,” smiles with them, eats with them, asks them to raise their hands, gives them sweet words of encouragement, gives them homework… and once in while, he will pull their ears… That is it.

    The children’s expectation will be fulfilled. Everyone is happy!  🙂

    For the common good.

     
    • Anil Kumar 2:23 PM on February 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Avyakt7-NG,

      Does comments on this blog are disabled? On last article I made a comment which is not appearing.

      Thanks.

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      • avyakt7- New Generation 4:06 PM on February 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Anil,
        Comments are allowed.
        When I click your comment on the right side of the blog, I can see your comment underneath the article. Perhaps is a glitch, as I have not changed any settings. 🙂 As far as your last comment, I see what you mean. I am able only to read part of it. Definitely a glitch….

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    • Gayathri 2:04 AM on February 22, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Drama! 🙂 🙂

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    • Gita 6:30 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Om shanti.

      I feel that BapDada knows if He tries to explain things that the old and new devotees are not familiar with, it would only confuse them a lot and they would not get much benefit from His present role of being a Guide. So, He works on the virtue/ sanskar of Love that the devotees have for God and makes it grow by showering more and more love on them.

      When people feel that they are getting love directly from God, they experience ecstasy. And then they strive to receive more and more of that love and protection from God. This love for God automatically gets extended to His followers, and to the Godly service so as to prove their real love for God. As a result, people get used to being loving, cooperative, humble, and serviceable to the extent they can. So, the end result will be good. Sanskars do change with time as the atmosphere needed has been created.

      At the end, whether what the people believed for many years may or may not have happened, but their sanskars would have changed greatly and very little of it could be reversed.

      This is how God may be preparing the future divine beings. This is an easy way of transforming people. LOVE is the instrument used. 🙂 God is a detached observer and knows that drama would take its own course irrespective of how and what is taught to the people.

      Drama / Life is predestined.

      Gita.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 9:00 AM on February 16, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    The role of BapDada 

    BapDada has a very unique role in Brahma Kumaris.
    In the Drama there are certain experiences that humans have to go through in order to complete the full range of experiences, for this is the way the Drama moves.

    Note that I am not saying to “become better.” If we truly understand the cycle of time, we can observe that every experience is fleeting, but eternal. There is no point of arrival. Thus, we can say that those who become “better” are giving the steps to become “worse” after a while. This is the perception of duality in the world.

    The above is not comprehensible by most “spiritual seekers.”
    Most Spiritual seekers are only concerned in becoming “better now,” not in being aware of what they ARE now. Moreover, most spiritual seekers have already an idea, an ideal of what “better” means. Their minds have that objective to “work on.”
    They strive to get to that “ideal” by behaving like the ideal, although they ARE not like that.

    The ideal is to become sweet, gentle, loving, angelical… If this does not happen, or improves then something is “wrong.” Fake it ’til you make it.

    That childish idea given by an ego driven mind needs to be put aside, sooner or later.

    In Life everything is a process. That may not be a word that Baba has said, but just observe the Drama through an unlimited perspective.

    Therefore, BapDada’s task is to take Brahma Kumaris followers to a particular experience, which is needed for their development. That is what all BKs have in common, the same type of collective consciousness: Their objective is to become someone, somebody who is spiritually “better.” This ideal will propel a BK follower to endure an ascetic Lifestyle as duality is part of their consciousness, vision and understanding.

    BapDada then is the highest authority in Brahma Kumaris, their God. Although the religion itself as it has developed now, is not necessarily a creation of Him. Many items have changed and evolved thanks to followers and people in charge. This has been the same situation with all organized religions.

    Many times, deep experiences cannot be put into dualistic words.
    A Sakar Murli is very different than an Avyakt Murli, but yet both are believed to be the words of “God.” Both Murlis denote a process of  personal change, just like Avyakt7 changed into Ahnanda (Avyakt7 NG for BKs.) The Murlis are not a static theme made by the same unchanging “God.” Observe that.

    Most are unaware of the issues of “channeling” a being. I know that this may be an unnecessary topic here, as most do not have an experience of this. However, let me say that the “words chosen by God” are narrowed down to the vocabulary of the medium channeling and to the quality of the connection.

    Yet BapDada will communicate personally only with those who he needs to communicate with according to the Drama. For the rest, it will be a matter of belief. Not fair?
    That is according to the Drama. Observe how our little concept of “fairness” goes down the drain.

    Many have an expectation of BapDada as if he was an “all powerful, all knowing being” based on someone’s definition of those words.
    Rest assured that when you are at the level of a being of light like BapDada, to conform to the ego trip of humans is out of the question.
    BapDada will reveal only what it is needed according to the Drama, for what it is according to the Drama is what has to happen. Nothing else.

    It is in that perspective that we can see that human desires and perspectives of what is “good” or “bad” or “desirable”  or what “should be” are merely kindergarten wishes in morality, law and codes of conduct. Childish stuff.

    BapDada will do as his role calls… and that is “good” because it is according to the Drama. Any human judgment on BapDada’s role based on human morality, is the cry of an infant looking for baby formula.
    That may be why BapDada sees children.

    For the common good.

     
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