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  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:10 AM on October 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Question: Buddha seeing ShivBaba in his meditation? 

    In the second lesson when they give the introduction of the father (Shiv Baba), they associate Gautam Bhudda and Mahavira as well in that lesson, claiming that they witnessed Shiv baba in their meditation, especially about Gautam Bhudda. Now my exploration of Bhuddism says that either Bhudda never spoke about God or he spoke just once or twice about God. He never claimed to find God or witness God in his meditation. Can you please share your view point on this thing and comment on Gautam Bhudda’s view on God as well. 

    Thank you for your question.
    I’d recommend not to get caught up in what some say that someone else said.
    To do this, is to only get meaningless intellectual answers based on beliefs or debates or “authoritative” answers, which are of no help at all.

    I will share my own experience instead.
    The word “God” has many meanings. I am not talking about definitions or concepts. Beyond that, there are experiences which are different from one individual to another.

    These “chosen ones” or more likely their followers, didn’t want to leave things as they ARE, unique experiences in Life; but yet they were concerned in having the “truth.” All sorts of arguments could be made for this purpose, which do not matter at all.

    When you discover that you ARE not, that there is no “static thing” defining “you” but only words; labels… what would be God then?

    A definition? A label such as “shiv baba” or “yehova,” etc?

    When “you” ARE nothing, “you” are everything. Why?
    Because you are not, but you are. This is no logic. Language cannot put that to be intellectually understood.
    Isn’t God included in your nothingness? Aren’t you the “image” of God?
    Sai Baba said: “ I am God and so are you. The difference is that I am aware and you are not.”
    This could be fully “understood” when “you” are aware of that nothingness. When that is not part of your awareness, then misinterpretation will occur:” Yeah, and the criminal is God and so the dog and the cat…. Nonsense!”

    Buddha was aware of his nothingness. How could he describe “God” through words? Perhaps by saying “God is everything and is everywhere?”
    Then, someone caught up with the “I” will say, “That is nonsense. God is only one.”
    Although… Everyone has his own experience and belief of “Him.”

    “God is light.” It is said. So he is darkness as well, for there is only light when there is darkness.  They are together. He is EVERYTHING.

    “God is a soul. The Supreme soul.”
    What is a soul? A container of Emptiness. Nothingness. The Buddha discovered that. God IS the supreme nothingness and because of that, the supreme Everything-ness.

    Does it make sense?
    Perhaps that is why the Buddha wisely, chose not to speak about it.

    When we are trapped in the “I,” we believe that God has to be another “I” different than MINE.
    When we are trapped in the “I” we believe that “we” are the only ones existing. If something supernatural occurs, it must be “god.”
    Trapped in the “I” we are ignorant that there are many types of beings physical and non-physical. Our experience with a particular one will make our “god.”

    Therefore, what is the point of Buddha seeing Shiv Baba in his meditation?
    It means absolutely nothing, other than propaganda for a belief system.

    What matters is to discover who you ARE.
    Once you discover that, you will discover the problems of putting that into human language and the misunderstandings that such attempts will bring.

    I found is better to say nothing, unless someone is ready to understand when you say something. That goes with “God” as well.

    For the common good.

     

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    • Dinesh Chawla 9:41 AM on October 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks a lot, Ahnanda, for taking up my question and helping me to move towards experience rather than just words.
      But honestly, to be No-I is the most difficult thing one can try for! I observe that you have spoken about the No-I, “You are not there”, “still you are there” in all of the answers for my questions, not just those questions but in your articles too. I observe these experiences but the moment I stop observing, the mind and Ego comes back within no time.
      And you know most of the people, just like I did, want a God just to reduce sorrow in their life. But in my case the sorrow and all the suffering that was there before and after being a God believer was same. So I needed No-God stuff. well, the drama has its own way to take me ahead. Thanks again Ahnanda 🙂 Om Shanti 🙂

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      • avyakt7- New Generation 10:17 AM on October 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        “No-I” is not something to “try” to “make effort,” it happens when your time has arrived.
        Until then, enjoy the intricacies of the “I,” observe it, learn from it, BE it. There is no rush, as the Drama will present the doors at the right time…. when we are ready to open them. No before, no after, but at the right time… Wah Drama, wah!

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 5:58 AM on June 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    God in Brahma Kumaris 

    Conditioning could be successful if there is an authority to obey behind it or a strong feeling, which will take us to do things and believe things which otherwise we wouldn’t.

    The conditioning of mainstream society has power, for there are authorities behind it: The law and their representatives, religious leaders, politicians, business owners, etc. There is a hierarchy which is built upon each level. A member of society knows about obeying certain things and the consequences of not doing so. The concept of punishment is introduced and that will shape our view of the world and the one beyond.

    Who is the authority to follow beyond this current existence?
    Obviously our “leaders” have no clout over the “after life.”
    That is how “God” was introduced in mainstream. If we observe his “job description,” it is a mirror of our society’s hierarchy, which is clearly seen in the most popular religions. He is the “one to obey” (love) to fear, to get salvation from or to be punished if his law is not followed.

    The collective consciousness understands this easily. That is my point: The realms beyond the physical world do not comply with our understanding or our laws. Human understanding is limited by conditioning.

    The question then, is not whether God exists or doesn’t. The question is, if we are willing to look, to observe deconditioned.

    In Brahma Kumaris, the “job description” of God changed completely. God is no longer the “creator.” God is no longer the one who punishes disobedient people. God is no longer watching everyone, everywhere. God is the one who gives “knowledge.”
    However, most followers do not understand this knowledge, no matter how long they have been following.

    The title of “God” then is changed to “Supreme Soul.” Another set of beliefs could be added to make a difference between a human soul and the “supreme” soul. Observe the power of words, the terminology used, basically refers to the same thing:  The Authority.

    An “experience” with the realm beyond the physical is cherished by most. Sure, it is unique. This will give the opportunity to affirm our ego: “I am special.” Moreover, we could add the word “god” to make our experience the “top one.”

    “I have experienced God.”
    Avyakt7 knew that line very well. Avyakt7-NG (Ahnanda) respects that, and sees the personal evolution through that.

    For a kid, to say “dad” is important. Everyone else says it and beyond the word is the feeling of having someone near and dear, someone who cares. When humanity feels in despair, God is very important to feel that company and like “Santa Claus,” someone will play that role, to bring smiles and joy to those kids. That is the gift of God.
    Of course, human ego can only see that their “Santa Claus” is the only and true Santa. That is how many religions appeared and how the clothes wore by Santa became more important than the person inside them.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 5:15 AM on June 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hi Ahnanda, When I was involved with BKs, I had tried implementing most of the teachings of Murlis, but amongst those, I need your help to explain us two of the very beneficial teachings which I still have not been able to implement 100%, but want to as they are required to keep the flow of my life smoother. So here are those two teachings:

      No 1: Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony, what you think, same thinking should be reflected in your words and actions. (Mansa, Wacha and Karmana should be same)

      No 2: Abstain yourself from creation of waste thoughts.

      The only reason I still want to implement these two teachings in me is that I think about one thing, I say another thing and end up doing totally different third thing in actions. Can you PLEASE explain what a person can do (By now I know that you use DO and BE in caps in all of your articles 🙂 ) to implement these two things by being and by not being a BK.

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