Meditation: Krishnamurti, Osho, Ramana Maharshi and my experience
When I was in college, I met Krishnamurti through a book. After my Brahma Kumaris’ days; Krishnamurti took much of my interest of well known spiritual “teachers.” A few months ago, his teachings no longer resonated with me. How is that possible? Krishnamurti gave my mind “food” for thought. I could understand where he was coming from as what he was saying was my experience most of the time; but as “I” abandoned the mind and into the heart, Ramana Maharshi and Osho had significant impact to explain what “I” was going through.
I wasn’t looking for answers or new things to learn. I was looking without knowing, to read in their teachings my own experience. That is affirmation in some way.
If while in the Brahma Kumaris my main “goal” was to know God, Now it is to “know myself.” That is a big change isn’t it?
Not quite. I shall stop here with my experience because I could be misunderstood.
Krishnamurti mentioned that there was no method for Meditation. In fact, for him meditation was living.On the other hand, Osho taught methods for meditation. One must be “right,” right? and the other “wrong.” Who is “right”? Those who do not have any experience whatsoever in “meditation” (which I call contemplation) will look for the right answer through a bona fide “expert” and follow that in order to be “right.”
J. Krishnamurti wasn’t interested in followers. He shared about his experiences and realizations. Osho on the other hand, had many followers and he was guiding them. The issue is the audience.
As Osho later mentioned, there is no need for methods to meditate BUT for the “normal” individual, there is a need for methods for otherwise, it will be very difficult to experience meditation.
In fact, Osho had 112 methods for meditation which he mostly took from the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra (https://o-meditation.com/shivas-112-meditation-techniques-vigyan-bhairav-tantra/) a well known book which Osho used and explained those techniques (BTW, that website has very interesting material.)
As a matter of fact, the Brahma Kumaris meditation method is somehow related with techniques # 18,23 and 51. Check it out!
Why do most individuals need a method? Because they are living in the mind and “meditation” is awareness, consciousness outside of the mind. In other words, to experience it, the mind needs to be out of the way or very little of it.
I have shared that the first time I received a glimpse of it was in 2013. Now, it happens more often when I am not moving, but as Brahma Baba used to say: “Remember ME alone while walking and moving around.” That “ME,” to understand it…. is a matter of experience not belief. The same with the word “REMEMBER.” Why is that? Simply because to “REMEMBER” means to use the mind.
A word to the wise is sufficient.
Is “meditation” an effort? Only until it happens, until it becomes “normal.”
What do you “gain” through it? 🙂 When we experience it, we will know. In the meantime, it can be used to gain “peace of mind” (as it is usually sold) for enlightenment, yoga, self-realization, to get a break from the rat race, for mindfulness, to listen to nice music, to sleep quickly, etc.
As Ramana Maharshi mentions, “…to know the self requires energy. ” If we are tired, sleepy, a busy bee… it will not happen, so if we want for that to happen…
Oh yeah! Who was right J. Krishnamurti or Osho? 🙂
Rinku 3:25 AM on March 14, 2024 Permalink |
Thank you for sharing your experience. You left your journey with Brahma kumaris on 2013 and I started my journey with Brahma kumaris in 2013 and following your Blog Exploring the depths of living since 2015 which is a great help to understand Brahma kumaris and beyond but I couldn’t understand your sharing properly at that time as it was not in my experience like about observation, awareness and being of light etc.. but I liked your honest sharing about Brahma kumaris and tried to solve the issue which I was facing then. Through your Blog I found Videos of Rajnish Osho and Sadhguru JV (Isha Foundation) and other spiritual masters among them Sadhguru JV teaching resonated me I tried Isha kriya it helped me a lot but I wanted to understand the science behind it and got confused and left the practice but was listening his you tube video trying to understand observation, awareness because he explores the spirituality in depth and is a contemporary living master. Later in 2019 life provided me Anant Sri (Lucknow, India) his videos on thought, energy and awareness brought some clarity. in 2020 I started facing more issues in Brahma kumaris for which I shared with you, you suggested to leave the Brahma kumaris path as it is not for your current journey but I didn’t leave then. Later in 2022 I left the Brahma kumaris path because sister told you are doing dis service by spreading knowledge different from baba. Now I am in my own unique journey in this search Sadhguru JV and Anant Sri teaching resonate with me and I am planning to learn inner engineering online soon. Please also share your understanding and experience about Sadhguru JV on meditation.
Thanking you 🙂
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avyakt7- New Generation 11:57 AM on March 14, 2024 Permalink |
Thank you for your comment. First, articles shared here are made for the “common good.” Avyakt7-NG is not interested is being for or against anyone or any institution. I am basically sharing my experience. That is all.
I also recall suggesting someone in this blog to leave the BK movement when that person didn’t follow their code of conduct and could risk harming a member of the opposite gender. That was probably the last time I suggested something in a personal manner. I do not feel comfortable doing that anymore in this blog.
Questions and comments are welcome in this blog, if they are for the “common good.”
I am glad to know that you are exploring other avenues in Spirituality. I am not familiar with Sadhguru other than watching a few videos of him in the past. As you experienced, sometimes available information doesn’t resonate with us until sometime later, thus; we just need to be open for change.
All the best in your spiritual journey.
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Rinku 2:15 AM on March 15, 2024 Permalink |
Thank you for your response now I realize that suggestion is not really needed but when we are going through certain situations we try to get free from it. I was not ready to follow your suggestion at that time but it happened that after 31st March 2022 I postponed every week to visit ashram till now I have not. Coincidentally on 31 March 2022 you also wrote an article about the beauty of change since then I visited your Blog few times but recently I found that you have started writing for Brahma kumaris readers blog. When I read the article meditation: Krishnamurthy, Osho, Ramana Maharshi experience, I felt Sadhguru JV experience should also be shared as he is a contemporary living master and you have more experience than me.Your Blog helped me to find my way. In Brahma kumaris path I felt energy which was a good experience for me but after two years I started feeling toofan which was quite disturbing and their suggestion also didn’t help me, family and society also have different consciousness so I explored and found other possibilities which is working for me.
Thank you
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