Giving your bones for the Yagya

The Sakar Murli does a very good job in cheering up and even motivating the BK follower, into a particular behavior, a path.
However, extremes are known in its interpretation. A follower who is eager to belong, to be recognized or even to believe in earning a better place in the after life, will do what is necessary in his mind, to comply. Sometimes, compliance has been equated with taking his own life.

“Giving your bones to the Yagya” is such a bright example.
The “Yagya” is one of those words which every BK knows what it is, but no one could be specific about it. “The Yagya” is open to interpretation and thus, extremes.

The “sacrificial fire” ( as yagya is commonly translated) could be anything. However, it is important to notice that “sacrifice” of any kind does not add up to “spiritual enlightenment,” on the contrary, it is a sign of trouble, repression.
“Love” being the magic word, is not sacrifice.

“Love” is hard to understand when there is lack of experience. When someone is controlled by his own mind; the next best thing is “sacrifice.”

All I could share is that there is no ideal in the BK system which is worth for someone to sacrifice his own life.

Our lives are sacred. Ideals are only inventions of the mind.

Question on the meaning of Bapsaman

Am I love ?…please tell me how to make that or feel it a reality. Do I have to be SOUL CONSCIOUS to Feel that I am love??? Also it is just impossible to become AAP SAMAN unless I have had the same /exact experiences you have had to bring you in your present state .Why does the Murli say you have to make others aap saman also baap saman???How do I go about it?

There is no recipe for BEING Love. That is not something that a man can tell to another. Otherwise, only 1 book about becoming Love could have been necessary for the whole humanity, and there hasn’t been any yet, despite “best sellers.”
Why did you add that it could be necessary to be soul conscious to be love?
That has no meaning.
If I say, “yes. It is necessary.” Your mind will be satisfied for that is an expected answer, but you will be unfulfilled. You will not know where to start.
Love is for you to experience, when it comes in your path. This is not something to “achieve” or to “practice.” Just be AWARE when that happens.

That mentality of trying to “achieve” something spiritual or some virtue, is what needs to go away, for that very same “effort” to achieve is the greatest obstacle in experiencing it.
WHY?

You have already an idea of what love should be. You want to achieve your idea of love and not allow for love to manifest to you according to what you ARE now.

As you pointed out, you cannot be equal to me, unless you had the same experiences.
Thus, when BapDada tells his children to “make others similar to you,” he hasn’t been specific, so it is up to every child to figure that one out. Perhaps it just means to make a BK out of others. Maybe not.
The potential for that phrase to be an ego-booster for every BK child is there, as most will believe that they are the “sample and the example,” (paraphrasing another BapDada’s phrase) for others to follow.

A BK child needs that (Kudos from Kudha) to be able to follow his ascetic Life style.

Similarly, BapDada gives a “goal” for the child to achieve: Be “equal to me.” (Bapsaman.)
Even though, he knows that every BK child is “numberwise.”(According to gyan.)
Some BKs believe that BapDada means to be “equal in his virtues,” but for most BapDada’s virtues are only seen on a video or when they go to Madhuban and see BapDada live.
It is in a relationship, when you see someone in action, when you could appreciate those “virtues.” However, that is the experience of few BKs.

That is why the BK system relies on what a Dadi says or a senior, as they may have greater experience with BapDada.
Of course, this is second hand knowledge. To talk about how loving BapDada is, will not change the way a BK child is. This BK child will try to copy the particular loving “action” that someone else described. Just so this child could be called “loving.”
Nevertheless, before the action (DOING) there is BEING.

BapDada is love.
A BK child may not be love, thus his actions even though the same as BapDada’s, will not make the BK child into Love.

Consequently, what truly matters is to be AWARE of who we ARE at every moment rather than “making effort” to copy someone else’s actions.

The Murli besides “giving gyan,” is meant to increase the BK follower self-esteem. It is meant to praise the BK child and to build his self-esteem, by making distinctions and separations; although it will increase the follower’s ego. But that is not bad at all, for ego only decreases once it has reached the utmost increase in size.
As mentioned before, the BK system does an excellent job in that “increase,” that is why; it is an important journey of some seeker’s path. It was for me.

For the common good.

Worship “reasoning” to find “truth.”

If we could experience that our consciousness will give us a particular experience, then it will be very hard to pinpoint something as the “truth.”
“Reason” is only a methodology to grasp certainty at the mental level. Reason is very superficial when we are dealing with the depth of Life. Nevertheless, most individuals rely on “reason” as the standard to find “truth,” what is “right.”

Religions such as Brahma Kumaris and Christianity, have built their “truth” based on follower’s interpretations of experiences lived by their religious founders.
The “Holy Bible” and the BK Murli are examples of that. They can only convey a particular perspective from a certain consciousness.

If someone uses “rationality” to explore the Bible of the Murli, pretty soon there will be certain items which do not fit the rational standard.
Then, their messages are discarded as “irrational.”
We could argue all we want about the “truth” behind the Bible or the BK Murli. It is a very good mind exercise and nothing else.

The Bible and the BK Murli are not meant to be dissected with rationality. They are meant to be followed, believed, respected. Those documents become the center stage, the source of authority to replace a missing presence of a God.
“Blind faith” is required to go fully into their path.

Unfortunately, this great opportunity to awaken to different kind of realities, doesn’t bring that benefit most of the time; but rather a “hard-nosed” follower who believes to have the “truth” or the chance to control followers for different purposes not related with inner-exploration.

Going through the experience of whatever label/religion we believe to BE, is what will bring change in the individual.

Whenever we embrace something like a religion or lack of it (atheist,) we will position ourselves at the starting point of our search in Life. The complete experience will be, once we reject that which we embraced at the beginning. That is the way of duality.
This is not a mental agreement and then a rejection. Your whole BEING will be in it.

BEING caught up in the existence of a God or lack of it, is of no consequence to change of consciousness and as such, to the possibility to self-realize.

Once the search for God is over, there is no-God. But once no-God is embraced, then there must be God. That is the game of duality.
Beyond that game, there is “I,” self.
That is where the search may finish until we find “no-I.”

Then, the search is over for there is nothing to search for a “nobody.”

Yes. It is hard to understand. It is no rational. Thus, it is nonsense.
The mind is caught up with itself.
There are no “holy scriptures” or beliefs or lack of them that could take a person into the openness which is necessary to feel fulfilled in Life.

Living Life experiences will do that. However, since those are too frequent, we dismiss their value. We are not awoken to OBSERVE the movements of Life and consciousness.
We rather have a mental story in our minds backed up by rationality or lack of, to believe in.

We are so “happy” by seeing pictures of a meal, rather than experiencing the meal itself. We try to search on how to quench our thirst, what is the “true method,” to do that rather than having the experience of drinking.

Paradoxically, if you embrace thirst, satiation of thirst will follow… but then after that, thirst will be experienced again. How to get rid of thirst?
By not making it into a “rational problem.”

For the common good.

The foundation of knowledge is faith

Murli 23-06-17

Sweet children, the foundation of knowledge is faith. Make effort with your intellect having faith and you will reach the destination.
Question:
What one aspect should you understand deeply and have faith in?
Answer:
The karmic accounts of all souls are about to be settled and everyone will return to the sweet home like a swarm of mosquitoes. After that, only a few souls will go to the new world. This aspect should be understood deeply and you must have faith in it.
Question:
Which children is the Father pleased to see?
Answer:
The children who completely sacrifice themselves to the Father, those who are not shaken by Maya, that is, who are as unshakeable and immovable as Angad. The Father is pleased to see such children.
Song:
Have patience, o mind! Your days of happiness are about to come.

A friend, sent me this Murli for my comments.  Here they are.

In the Sakar Murli of 6/23/17, we could observe that knowledge according to Brahma Kumaris, has a foundation before it. That foundation is faith.

Faith is a sentimental belief beyond rational, intellectual grasp.
Knowledge is the theory, it is the belief of “truth.” It is something that could be explained to others, rationalized. In the case of Brahma Kumaris, it is the explanation on how everything works in Life, our “purpose” and what God is.

For most followers, there is no experience of “knowledge.”
It is a tale for grown-ups. What is the use of knowing that God is a soul, or that “I” am a soul if there is no experience of that?
What is the use of the knowledge of predestination if there is no experience of that?

Those are the theoretical aspects to believe in. Blindly.
If those aspects of knowledge where experienced, there wouldn’t be a need to have faith.

This is the first point to observe about this Murli.

Again, in the second question there is the aspect of “understanding” intellectually what “karma” is and to have faith in that.
There is the “theory of karma” and we should act according to our understanding of it.
I act in a certain way and there are consequences of those actions. Karma is action.
Let us say that I am riding my bike and a lizard appears from nowhere. I still have time to use my brakes, but I decide to go on thinking the lizard will “see” the bike. It doesn’t happen. The lizard gets run over. That is the action. What are the consequences?
Karma is not as simple as that. INTENTION is a big player in every karmic consequence. However, that is not explained in Brahma Kumaris knowledge. A “black or white” knowledge is easy to follow, easy to understand; however, it is far from what it “is.”
Brahma Kumaris is the path of the mind. To conquer the mind means to follow some activities, so even if internally thoughts are infused with negativity, even if the root is negativity, “I” will re-shape them into some learned “positivity” and reinforce that with some actions, karma, doings.

We have not changed the source. No matter what we DO. Consider that.

The second question in the Murli, is about “sacrifice” for the “Father.”
How do you sacrifice? What is the need to sacrifice?
Those are the main questions to answer. In my experience, any form of DOING for others, may have good reviews from others, it may be morally accepted and praised, but we are merely conforming to our conditioning.

To follow a religious path is to “sacrifice” yourself. But, don’t believe that something “good” will emerge out of that. No matter how “unshakable” (stubborn) we become.
Love has been the way, but when we do not know love, sacrifice has been invented.

The “song” in the Murli gives importance to the mind. There is no happiness for the mind. The whole thing about the mind is to be active, to search for things, to be in movement wanting, desiring, acquiring, looking for something else.
Happiness is in no mind, but this is not something to DO. It happens.

For the common good.

Question: How to make thoughts, words and deeds to be the same?

“I need your help to explain us two of the very beneficial teachings which I still have not been able to implement 100%, but want to as they are required to keep the flow of my life smoother. So here are those two teachings:
No 1: Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony, what you think, same thinking should be reflected in your words and actions. (Mansa, Wacha and Karmana should be same)
No 2: Abstain yourself from creation of waste thoughts.
The only reason I still want to implement these two teachings in me is that I think about one thing, I say another thing and end up doing totally different third thing in actions. Can you PLEASE explain what a person can do (By now I know that you use DO and BE in caps in all of your articles ) to implement these two things by being and by not being a BK.”

Thank you for your interesting question.

Yes, I use caps for BE and DO, hoping readers will find that there is a huge difference.
In your question, you want to “implement” a teaching. That sounds to me like “office world” conditioning. There, you implement plans, implement solutions, etc.
When we are referring to BEING, it does not work like that.

When the Brahma Kumaris teachings says: “Your thoughts, words and actions should be in harmony or be the same,” that teaching is not telling the follower to DO something, to implement something to “achieve” that goal, although that is the interpretation. Followers are unaware of the “office word” conditioning and unaware of how DOING something who you are not, only covers who you ARE .

That teaching is merely describing how a BEING in harmony will express himself. Most want to BE that, but they do not acknowledge who they ARE now first. They just reject that.

Let me ask the question: Are “your” thoughts really “yours”? If they are, why you cannot stop them at will? Why is it so difficult to “create” loving, good, wholesome thoughts all the time?
That is the first realization to go into.

BEING attracts particular thoughts. Thus, what about if you find that those thoughts are not really created, willfully thought by you, but that they just appear?
Then the realization to OBSERVE those thoughts will be obvious, to use another Brahma Kumaris teaching, to be a “detached observer” of those thoughts.

If you OBSERVE those thoughts appearing in the sky of your mind, could we say that “you need to abstain from creating waste thoughts”?
We cannot, for those are not “my” thoughts.
What is the issue then? We are not AWARE to OBSERVE. We IDENTIFY with everything that is going through the mind as “mine.”

If there is that detachment from thoughts, what will be the problem then? None. If you FEEL what your ACTION should be and DO it; wouldn’t your words be along those lines?
But we are afraid of discovering who we ARE. We want to look respectable, we want to DO the “right” thing and not DO according to what truly I AM. Thus, we miss the greatest opportunity to discover who I AM. It is through that discovery how change happens without DOING a thing.

Would you like to DO something useful in your Life?
Learn to OBSERVE yourself. Learn to read yourself as you can do with a friend. This is not meant to judge yourself, but to allow that to BE, so if you realize it, see it, not intellectually but consciously, change is inevitable.

However, most “spiritual” teachings have been distorted through some “easy to follow” interpretation to cater to the masses.

This is easy to understand: If you don’t like it, change it. If you think bad things, change it to good things… The power is on that “I” but yet, “I” cannot stop thoughts.
We are not aware on how we change the original bad thought into a good one by faking it. The root is “bad” and we change the branch and leaf of the tree of a thought to make it “good.”
That is called inner dishonesty.

How long can we go with that “practice”? Until we become AWARE.

For the common good.

Spinning the discuss of self-realization

“The more you spin the discus of self-realization and inspire others to do that, the higher the status you will claim.” (5/5/17)

What is the meaning of “Spinning the discuss of self-realization”?

Do you think is just about DOING a mental drill such as: “I am a BK, then an angel and then a deity?”

Do you believe that by repeating this drill 108 times every day, you will “improve” or self-realize?

Are you compelled to follow these directions because “you” will get a “high status”?

To DO as above only reveals an infantile consciousness. Nothing wrong with that. It is a beginning, but please don’t push the envelope by believing that this is the “truth” and “you” have it, or the “only method.”

Please consider this. “You” know that in the cycle of time “you” have had many roles, many “I’s “going through the eternally repeating cycle.
Who are “YOU”?  Do you see that?  You may say a “soul” but the container is not “YOU” the consciousness.

You are/ may be a BK “now.” That is a fact. An angel, a deity… those are beliefs. However, you know that you will be a BK again and for that to happen many other roles, good and bad; right or wrong, had to be performed before reaching the role of a BK.

Did you make any choices in the past roles to get to the BK role? Did you plan anything or it just happened to “YOU”?

Do you see that “YOU” only ARE something when “YOU” identify with a transient role? Do you see that all roles are transient?
Who are “YOU”?

Nothing specific, but every role, everything…. Don’t forget, there is no “I” choosing a role.

When you ARE nothing but everything, would you be interested in gaining a high status? When you ARE nothing but everything, would you be interested in spinning the discus?

“You” are self-realized. Others mingling with you would be inspired for there is no identification with anything and openness to Life  as that is “you.” A “high status” may be waiting… but not for “YOU.”

For the common good.

Destruction is just ahead

“Destruction is just ahead” is one of the most unforgettable lines of a Sakar Murli. It is the motivation for many BKs to “make effort.” Little time remains, hurry up! Or you will be sorry for eternity that “you” failed!

The interesting thing is that “failure” is open for discussion and “you” will not be able to find out if “you” made it or not. Once “you” leave the body (die) there is no longer “you.”

But what about your “subtle body”? That is the “you” that will suffer!
Nevertheless, my “subtle body” is already “there” but yet “I” am not aware of it… Isn’t that a wonder?

Is “Mama” in the subtle region or with the “advance party”?
This is a nice question to ask. That question should take care of the ideas about the “I” and the “you” but… not too many will understand… so stick with that “I.”

How ahead is “just ahead”? That is the question!
What I learned about the “subtle experiences” is that humans tend to make assumptions. We may have a dream about destruction. Shall we say that it will be within 10 years?
Based on what?
Are we looking for “signs,” such a war in some country, or a natural disaster some other place, etc?

That could be, but maybe not.
What about if our vision or dream was misinterpreted?
Maybe. Maybe not.

Life (Drama) has many curves. It is not meant to be as humans believe or understand to be.

A dream or a vision may be just that. May be not. It could happen in your lifetime. Maybe not.

It is that uncertainty what kills us, that is what will make us DO things to be “safe” in case something happens…
The “prize” for being prepared is “heaven.” Nevertheless, no one will ever find out if they were prepared or not… How do you prepare? Is it on “you” to settle your karmic accounts? How do you know if ALL of them were settled?  🙂 By not living life? By safely surrounding yourself with as little people as possible?

“Destruction is just ahead.” That is how newness appears… but as we know, we are “eternal souls” so what is the “problem”?
Most want newness but they will not let go of that which is old.
That is not new at all, but a modification of the same thing to make us believe that we are on target…  Do you want to “save” yourself? Do you want to live in Madhuban or India to make sure that you will continue to exist?  You see, it is all about “you.” It is that “I” the one that needs a promotion before it shrinks!

For the common good.

Question:BapDada, what is all about?

“Many things in the bkworld and the reasoning I am able to understand like trying to increase the ego,contrasting and contradicting things baba says in the murli, the various rules and discipline they advise to follow etc.I would love to understand your experience of ‘Bap Dada’ or Baba Milan….what it is all about…from your ‘new’ perspective…?
Apologies for such a long rant…:D”

Thank you for your well elaborated question.
I can only speak about my experience with BapDada from the time I was a BK. Here is an article I wrote a few weeks ago about it.

As I mentioned before, Brahma Kumaris is a path for “self-realization,” but it is not the “only true path.” As a matter of fact, it could be only part of someone’s journey as it was my case. Every journey is different.

Yes, Ahnanda sees from a different perspective. That is your question relating to, but I cannot answer that, for there are many BKs who need to go through the BK experience without yet another belief. It is not a matter of coming with another opinion, belief or “truth.” Every single one of us has to discover that.

Just as you have experienced in your journey. You explained that you did not read any of these writings until recently even though you have been receiving these writings from a long time; similarly, every BK follower needs to experience their own process. It doesn’t mean that “I have the truth,” NO! That is a misleading word, once you realize that our journey is very personal indeed.

To be able to fully take benefit of the BK path as any other path, you may need to be 100% into it. If you were a “pukka” BK, you wouldn’t be reading these things. You could only have the openness to read these things if you aren’t completely satisfied.  BK knowledge calls that as “having doubts,” but there is a huge difference between mental doubts, which could be pacified with “answers,” and feeling unfulfilled. That is where inner honesty becomes important.

As mentioned before, the BK path from my experience; is about increasing the ego, which is necessary before its dissolution.

For those without the experience of ego, they may think that ego is about those things which make you feel “good” such as: “You are a deity, you are a true Brahmin, you are a selected son of God, you are angel, you are an ancestor soul, etc.” But ego also increases in the opposite side, as when someone feels “bad” because they didn’t wake up for Amrit vela, ate meat, had sex, watched mundane TV programs, etc. The labels then will change: “unworthy child, Silver/Copper age soul, cremator, shudra, etc.” That is a way to increase ego as well through the opposite side.

Times have changed. Nowadays everyone could have different information about different religions and compare those teachings. In that, they may appear contradictory, everyone has their take on what God is or isn’t.
That is why it is difficult to be 100% in a particular path to feel its full effect… and that is something that every religion will warn you about: “Don’t listen to anyone else but us.” That is until you are unfulfilled.

The mind, the intellect could prevent us from experiencing the “ego trip” which is necessary for our development.
For instance, I recall some intellectuals saying: “I don’t know how those people can join a cult and do everything they ask them to do. They don’t have a bit of discernment, critical skills…”

Intellectuals do not understand the experience. I wouldn’t have joined the BK movement unless I had an experience with something unknown to me at that time, which my education and mental skills couldn’t explain. That was my experience with Brahma Baba. At that point, I surrendered my “critical skills,” which only help protect the ego, the persona, that “I” created through my beliefs and ideals.

As “avyakt7” I had wonderful experiences with BapDada which helped me go through the BK path. As Ahnanda, I do not need those anymore, just as a child grows up and goes out of his father’s home. 

Finally, I am not writing here to ask anyone to leave the BK movement. I am not here to ask you to stay either. I now see, that I am writing here to express my experience with inner honesty. The importance of not lying to ourselves. That is all.
Intellectual knowledge is good, but not enough. Once we learn everything there is (knowledge) we need to unlearn it, to BE by getting out of the mind. That is the way of Life, the process, the journey.

What I think, what you think is not what is important; but to be aware of our journey.

For the common good.