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  • avyakt7- New Generation 6:50 AM on December 5, 2018 Permalink | Reply
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    A different view of the cycle of time 

    In Brahma Kumaris the belief of the cycle of time is very specific as to put some pressure on the believer. “If you don’t change now, then you will repeat the same mistake cycle after cycle.” The emphasis is on this “I,” who can make a “choice” separated from circumstances, settings and the law of karma.
    That is an illusion.

    Nevertheless, Brahma Kumaris is fulfilling its mission of giving some direction to the “little child,” as otherwise; he will be utterly lost and prone to fall into “temptation,” aka “Maya.”

    If life was as “I” want it to be, then obviously, there wouldn’t be any of the words that we use to describe the “lack of” that most humans live by: Poverty, disease, injustice, wrong doing, insecurity, fear, etc. Those will be experienced by all of us in different degrees. Why? Obviously there are things beyond “my control,” “my choice,” “my free will.”
    This “I” has made up ideals which cannot reach. Nevertheless, while we try to “achieve” them, we “kill time” in the belief that we found meaning in Life. We try to come up with meanings as if Life itself wasn’t sufficient. We want more. Some glorious time for the “I.”

    Here is the obvious dissonance of the belief of Brahma Kumaris: “Although the cycle of time is predestined, you have free will NOW to change things. Because we don’t know what we have done before. We have a chance to DO what is right NOW.”
    Although most conditioned individuals will buy that, as it sounds “reasonable” and “I get the chance to DO as I want,” that is not accurate as elaborated above; although it is helpful for those who are unable to see yet, beyond the box. See the paradox. Although the above BK belief is not true, it is helpful.
    Life does not move through the premise of what is “right” or “wrong.” That is only a religious belief. The cycle of time does not care about our moral standards and beliefs.

    We have to go through experiences, we label those as: Right, wrong, good, bad, left, right, pure, impure, etc. The “I” wants to discern and choose according to a religious belief.
    That religious belief may not be what we truly feel. Repression will be born. A repressed individual is DOING “good” (a belief) although he IS “bad.” (just a label to illustrate that I am not what I believe.) Another paradox. It is called dishonesty. Nevertheless, that is safe for society, a religious organization, etc.

    This article is written because it is important to free the individual of living in fear of a belief. “The same mistake will be repeated cycle after cycle for eternity.” That is the biggest lie ever.
    It is not a “mistake.” It is a necessary experience. All experiences are necessary as they are, whether we believe in free will or predestination, whether we think we are “moral” or not. All experiences are meshed together, related with other beings. The “I” is not DOING alone, by itself. There is cause and effect behind “our” DOINGS.

    Life/ The cycle of time cares very little of “my desire to go to heaven.” Things will happen as they should no matter how many labels or moral standards we believe in.

    In a nutshell: While entrenched with the “I,” forget the cycle of timeIt is the most useless belief. That is another paradox. Although the cycle of time is true in that consciousness (“I,”) it is useless information.

    If you are out of the “I,” “you” are free from the cycle of time. That which was true, now it is false for “you” are in another consciousness.

    What is the “moral” of this story? CONSCIOUSNESS dictates what is true or false for YOU. We cannot fake consciousness for that reflects who we ARE.
    “Knowledge” is not information. It does not help me at all, if I “know” that the cycle of time repeats identically every cycle when my consciousness is lost in the “I.” That only gives fear to the “I.”

    “Knowledge” are experiences that allow me to increase consciousness, a greater awareness, and openness to Life. Knowledge does not bring fear of living Life.  It brings stability, certainty.

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    • Dinesh C 12:58 AM on December 11, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Dear Ahnanda, Our I is most of the time stuck with that the past experience which I went through could have been better if I would have done things differently. This kind of thinking that mind brings to us creates long term blockages of guilt and regret. Also, Our I remains in fear that what if things in my life will not be the way I dream and plan about future. This mind patter produces worry…sometimes extreme worry. It is really a reliefe and librating thing to know that the experieces of the past, whethe bad, worse or worst experiences, they were required. But the MIND does not accept that so easily. That is where we are failing, in fully accepting life the way it is. It is and will be a very librating thing to accept life fully with heart. I have read your article “all is good in acceptance”. But what u write, we are not able to be that fully with heart. At the same time, when mind is there, surrendering completely to life is another big challenge. It will be like giving the oath of the boat of our life in the hands of God. But again the problem is, we don’t know God. Thanks for writing this. Wow I shared so much without asking you a question…now that is something good! 🙂

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 4:33 AM on February 28, 2018 Permalink | Reply
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    Message 7: Predestination and the Cycle of Time. 

    For some consciousness, we are all ONE.
    Who is predestined then?
    That ONE changes through its full range. That is known as the “cycle of time.” If there wouldn’t be any change, then there wouldn’t be any movement. Without movement, there is no Life.

    Because there is Life in that ONE, then it changes.
    Who is predestined then?
    When that ONE is divided in many. Then “I” appears. Then “I” will be sleeping in the belief that there is free will or predestination for “I” cannot see the ONE.
    It is all appearances, illusions when we look at things from the “unlimited” from the ONE.  Is god the ONE?  I am not referring to that one. I am referring to Everyone.

     Predestination is for the many. “God” is predestined. “We” are predestined. Although, our consciousness says that we have “free will.” Believe in whatever you want. Even in the “I.”

    What is the value of knowing about predestination?
    Little. Unless we are ready to OBSERVE, for then we will not be caught up with definitions, concepts and thought.
    Most don’t want to OBSERVE. Most want to believe in the “truth.”
    Do you want to hurt the “I”? That is predestination.
    Do you want to pamper the “I”? That is free will.

    Oh, truth seekers! Where is the truth that you shall find?

    Find the “reality” of the “I.”

     
    • Dinesh C 12:33 PM on February 28, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Hi Ahnanda, the question at the end is really wonderful but “I don’t know, how to find the reality of this “I”. I mean my current understanding is that, I want to find the meaning of this “I”, I mean if I desire about something, unless and until I don’t fulfill that desire “I” don’t feel the substantial meaning of my “I”. sometimes I feel it’s ok the way life is you know, just carry on with acceptance, but then again the external pressure, no no no, how can you be so relaxed about life, we have struggled so much in life, life is not meant to be relaxed, the “Others” also contribute for creating that desire of “Meaning of the “I”. But I personally don’t feel there is any useful meaning of this “I” through fulfilent of desires. 🙂 Thanks for writing this message Ahnanda 🙂 Om shanti.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 4:30 AM on November 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    The typical BK questions: Karma, Drama, Cycle of time. 

    Back from vacation! There will be some changes in this blog.
    Avyakt7-NG will be writing an article once a week. Typically, on a Thursday. As time goes by, there will be further changes in the way Avyakt7-NG will share to BK or Ex-BK readers.

    Avyakt7-NG encourages you to send your questions. Please make those questions to the point and hopefully, for the “common good” rather than personal issues.

    Lakshmipriya sent her question(s) here:
    In your first question: If “I” look honestly, If “I” suffer from a disease, no words or mental console could help me. The point is that there is no “reason” that could take “my” suffering away. Yes, “karma” is a “reason.” It could be true, but many times in our current life times we do not see the “why” we have to settle or “pay” for something that we do not even remember that “we did” in a past life. On the other hand, BK knowledge states that there is predestination. That means there was no way out. We had to go through that experience. Period.
    Whatever it is happening, it IS. Deal with it, knowing that experiences have a duration and then, they will go away. This is not a belief. Enjoyment should be there out of any Life experience, for every experience never comes by itself, there is a thread of other experiences along with it, worth enjoying them.

    Question #2: If you understand the Drama well, you will see that there is NOTHING that could be labeled as “bad,” or “good.” It is what it IS and for a limited time. 

    Question#3: The word “actor” imply many things. An actor “knows” (has the experience) of being an actor. Most human beings do not. For most, we feel that it is “I.” That is our consciousness. Lakshmipriya: Your keywords are: “This understanding, helps me.” Avyakt7-NG shares that mental understanding does not change BEING. It only puts a façade to mentally “accept” the issue. However, that stage is necessary to go beyond the trap of the mind.

    In one of Avyakt7’s trips to India as a BK, Avyakt7 went to Jodphur by himself.
    It is a different “reality” there, than being sheltered in Madhuban. Avyakt7 remembers seeing a dog walking down the street. The dog was limping. The dog was very dirty and it seemed as it had many diseases. The dog most likely, did not have a home. No food waiting. However, the dog was living Life. There is no “idea” of committing “suicide.” That dog was free from the mind. There is no “reason” needed to comfort the “suffering” of the dog, for the dog does not have that duality in the mind. On the other hand, humans are looking for “reasons” which they call “knowledge.” Those are pacifiers for someone living in the mind.

    The dog may “instinctively” KNOW that the “medicine is to go through the experience itself. Not to try to escape it. Light is at the end of that tunnel.”

    Hope that answered your questions.
    At the same time, this answers Christopher Joseph’s inquiry about “karma.”

    Now, on the question by Dinesh here:
    Ahnanda had the privilege to connect with his friend, Mathias while in Peru. Ahnanda shared with Mathias that Ahnanda’s sharing of “no-I” was misunderstood. Mathias responded that “ That [No-I] hurts them.” Also, he mentioned about “taking the pulse of others before sharing” without using those BK words.
    Therefore: When we experience “no-I” there is no cycle of time.
    When we experience “I” we are afraid of the cycle of time. When we “intellectually know” about the cycle of time and we believe it, while being only conscious of the “I,” there will be an inner war, an inner fight, a dissonance for the belief goes against our consciousness of “I have free will.”
    Thus, knowing that what will you DO? 🙂

    For the common good.

     
    • Lakshmipriya Nagarajan 6:04 AM on November 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      To look myself honestly I require the knowledge of truth. Isn’t it brother?. If the right answer is not given to the mind, the mind is going to keep on chatter. Over a period of time, I do not require to give any reason to the mind as the questioning ceases on this issue as I experience the truth. I understand “no-I” as “no ego”, no acquired sanskars. Otherwise embodied soul will have mind. And as I become close to “being”, probably i will be harmonizing the thought and actions. Yes, the suffering of body can not be stopped but the amplification of suffering caused by the mind’s expansion can be stopped by applying the powerful brake of knowledge. Isn’t it?

      Don’t I have the power to accept to go beyond the trap of mind. By using this power at right time in a right way many times, I can become the embodiment of that power. This will bring me to a stage of no-I. Isn’t it? In order to bring this “power to accept” in action, I need some knowledge points such as drama is accurate in operating as per philosophy of Karma, it is beneficial in bringing me to my original self. Everyone is actor playing their perfect role in the drama so on so forth…

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      • avyakt7- New Generation 9:27 AM on November 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        As far as my experience, honesty is not related with some external idea of what “truth” should be. Honesty is to know what truly is going on inside and acknowledge it. As you mentioned, “knowledge” stops the amplification of suffering which comes from the mind. But it is only temporarily, for a few days; then the mind needs the same or higher quantity of that “fix.” This is the “reason” why in BK there is a need to listen to the Murli everyday. We “understand but we forget.” Nevertheless, even though the amplification of the sound could be stopped for a few days… the sound is still there. We want to get rid of it “now,” but that is not in the Drama…

        “No-I” is not an idea. It is an experience. Until there is experience, there can only be mind made speculations on how to “arrive to it,” how to “get it for me,” how to achieve it… All of that is an extension of the “I.”

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    • Gayathri 11:52 AM on November 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      There are many levels of understanding/ interpreting Baba’s words.

      Baba says, “The ghost of attachment destroys all truth, everything”.

      Attachment comes from the word, ‘mine’. When we are not very sure who “I” am, we tend to assume our physical body, physical relationships, and physical belongings to be ‘mine’/ ours.

      Recently we were churning the topic, “Drama”. Though we may consider ourselves to be a soul, even the soul can not claim its qualities/ sanskars as its own because the soul is ONLY a ‘container’ for the 84 or so roles that are destined to be played through that particular soul. Every thought, word, and action of the soul is already destined to happen in a particular sequence, in a particular way which can not be changed even minutely.

      It is not just the body that we possess, even the roles that are being played through us are not OURS in the sense we have no control over them, we can not order and get them do things according to our wish.

      The real “I” is just an observer, a catalyst… When we can not even separate the real “I” from the role that is being played through us, when we confuse our role to be the real “I”, how real could be the ‘mine’?

      Considering the ‘role’ as the “I” it self is a myth/ a ghost, and the ‘mine’, the attachment is a ‘ghost’ that makes us believe that we own certain people and objects. Our eyes deceive us a lot. 🙂 What we usually consider as ‘mine’, the attachment, destroys all the truth.

      regards,
      Gayathri ben.

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      • ahnanda 3:27 PM on December 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        “Attachment comes from the word, ‘mine’. ”
        Attachment is not a word. Words are merely pointers. Understanding of words is not necessary. What is important is to look at the pointers and find those in ourselves. That requires honesty, observation, awareness… not “knowledge.” Churning has no consequence but it is a distraction for the mind. We could come up with wonderful ideas and never look at the self with honesty.
        The ultimate attachment is to the self, but attachment is not the issue once we discover that what we call self, is always changing. The mind is stuck with a picture, when Life is a movie. 🙂

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    • Christopher joseph 5:51 AM on December 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Very rightly said Ahnanda.Esp.the example of the dog whether there is light at the end of the tunnel or no light should not make a difference.as we should live with zero expectation. THE NON BEING.😊Still my mind Questions me as to how I came into being in the present environment (in the absence of karma)🤔😊

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      • ahnanda 4:32 PM on December 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        As we know, the way to calm the mind is to give it some “reason.” Make up or get convinced with whatever “reason” you like … and then BELIEVE it. That is all! 🙂

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    • Dinesh C 11:58 PM on December 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      ok Hi Ahnanda, thanks a lot bro for sharing that information with us from your friend Mithias, I feel what they said is actually true, but can you please briefly tell us in what way the “No-I” is hurting us? Because if I share what I ended up doing after “Knowing” this “No-I” is that I tried applying it at the level of intellect again, though you told me that the “No-I” simply happens, there is no DOING involved in this experience.
      Regarding knowing the pulse of the other being before sharing this experience of N0-I, I have mostly shared some of my life experiences here in an open way, even about my sexuality, and experience of what happened during me being an Adhar Kumar for 6 years, in breif way! so actually to some extent you know my pulse Ahnanda! well I am just saying about what I understand from my experience… so thanks again 🙂

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      • ahnanda 4:39 PM on December 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Most humans are experiencing the “I.” Brahma Kumaris “knowledge” is supportive of it. So is Christianity and most mainstream religions.
        To say : The “I” doesn’t exist. “You” are not the one controlling your Life. It is perplexing, when people are interested in becoming SOMEONE in Life and the after life. Dinesh: You try many things but it is at the intellectual level. “Trying” is “I.”
        Then the questions you may have is: Then, How do “I” improve? Again, trapped in the “I.”
        There are many things in Life the mind cannot understand for understanding comes through experience, not trough intellectual talk… 🙂
        Awareness, consciousness, observation… That is all is needed, but when we are not there, we may need to DO something to “improve.’ Thus, wherever you are, is good. Enjoy it!

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    • Lakshmipriya Nagarajan 2:56 AM on December 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      yes brother, any point of knowledge if not coming into experience, it is just understanding. Yes, I need the support of murli to maintain silence in the mind. I need murli everyday as a tonic to infuse the positive thoughts in the mind otherwise it goes out of control. I do not even able to observe me as I end up with action. Murli churning helps to observe me and act according to Shrimath. For sure, I would say, that I started observing me, accept the emotions, and try to let go of it. This blog helped me a lot to churn murli in different way..Thanks a lot.

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      • ahnanda 10:32 AM on December 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Lakshmipriya: Observe how you interpret “my” words according to your experiences and conditionings. You are not the only one. I am definitely learning from that. At the end, what matters is that all of these writings are “helpful to you.” It is interesting to note, that for others; these writings are not helpful at all… 🙂
        Any one wants to ask WHY?
        It doesn’t matter. Any reason may be called “knowledge” but that label doesn’t make any difference for those feeling these writings to be unhelpful or helpful.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:29 AM on November 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Life is about the complete experience. 

    When we rationalize Life, that is; when we live in the mind, we typically “choose” one side of the range of the experience and reject the other.
    For example, the experience of being a “sinner” will bring the experience of being a “saint.” We may reject “sinner” but “saint” is only part of the complete experience. Thus, I am a sinner or a saint? That is the question of the conditioned mind. In “reality,” sinner nor saint exist (for some consciousness) as both are part of the total experience. However, sinner and saint exist, they are “realities”  for other type of consciousness.

    Likewise,  because we experience “life,” we will experience “death.” For some consciousness, there is no death. Just like the Deities in the “Golden Age,” experienced according to BK philosophy. There is reincarnation for them. For us, that is only a belief for we are not in that consciousness.

    For Avyakt7-NG, it does not matter whether there is reincarnation or not. “I” am never the same. Who will reincarnate?  We want to know which “philosophy” is “right or wrong,” believe what is “right,” but that does not matter at all, if there is no consciousness behind it.
    There is no single experience  in Life which is “better” than another. It is just a complementary, fleeting experience.
    This is an unlimited vision. 

    In a limited vision, we are bound by our own “choices.” We select and reject. We fight to keep our selection not seeing that Life has its own movement. Therefore, there is suffering after the enjoyment of what we perceive to be a happy moment, a happy finding, a happy circumstance, etc. All of that is bound to change.
    This has been misinterpreted as: ” It is better not to have desires. It is better not to be happy since suffering will come by…” Again, this is a gross misinterpretation of  someone living in logic, reason, the mind. Life does not move under the constraint of logic and reasoning, but our society pretends to do it, although it does not.

    Enjoy every experience, for it is unique. 

    Remember when “you” were a 6-year-old? This is inaccurate, for “you” (now) were not that one before. All that mattered at that time was to experience Life. The intellectual stuff was added later. That in return gave us a persona, an identity of separation. It was necessary to function in our society, but as we continued on with the conditioning, we forgot our other side, the “no-I,” which does not think about such matters.
    We cannot control our lives according to our thoughts. If we try to control, we will never live.
    Society requires the “I.” Life does not. When you go to sleep every night, there is no certainty that “you” will wake up. Where are you during that time?
    Many have died during their sleep. Our conditioning is that we will wake up again in the safety of our bedroom, but that is just a thought, that we believe in.
    To deal with that uncertainty, our minds have created religious beliefs and all sorts of “life insurance” so we could continue on in the afterlife.
    Those are tricks to mitigate the anxiety of not being “I,” that is fear of BEING “No-I.”

    The paradox is that even though mentally we know that “there is nothing new,” (As per BK belief) experientially, everything is new for us.
    That is the bridge that we have to cross and see that what truly matters is what our consciousness perceives, not what the mind is able to understand. Learning happens when we move according to our consciousness. Dishonesty happens when we move according to the “right” belief. We will do and say what we don’t feel.

    We have been conditioned in so many ways. That 6-year-old does not know about that conditioning that we may understand now through our own experience.
    So, is it “better” to be ignorant then, like a dog?
    There is no “better.” Life is only offering us different experiences. A self-realized individual will know both sides of the coin through their own experience, and will see that this coin is “real” and at the same time is not real. The “I” makes the coin. Life does not know about any coins. That is only a human perception.

    Coincidences do not exist in Life. That label is a human invention meaning “I don’t know, but I will cover my ignorance with a nice label.”
    Life does not depend on me nor on you. It just happens, it is there: Breathing is there, eating, sleeping, etc. Enjoy the experience. Know it. Let it go through “you,” become AWARE of it when it is happening, for otherwise the mind, will “remember” that “I had that experience yesterday,” and the mind will make that unique experience  of “now” into something “old.”

    That is why it is said, that a new consciousness is in the experience of “no-mind,” for “no-I” is there. Knowing “I” and “no-I” you had the complete experience. “You” may be self-realized in the consciousness of both complementary experiences.

    What do I need to DO to get there? we may ask.
    Nothing. You could wait and live in some sort of a vacuum in fear as not to experience Life, for “you” will feel safe, or you could enjoy the ride. That may be “your” choice.   Whatever “your” choice, Enjoy it. That is the key. Know that it is OK to change with Life.

    For the common good.

     
    • Christopher joseph 10:41 AM on November 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Wow🤔This is the most convincing article I have ever read (no exaggeration) where my mind is blown and is taking time to re-assemble. I can’t say ‘wah drama’ for it is meaningless to me as the drama according to bk has no writer .But you are the writer of this article where thanks is not enough but you can feel the viberation of my love coming to you 😊that U may not know from where🤔🤔🤔😊🤚Enjoy your journey with no expectation…..Love U.😊

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      • Dinesh C 6:36 AM on November 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        I like the way u say “Love U” to Ahnanda at the end of your reply. Hehehe 🙂

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        • Christopher joseph 9:41 AM on November 5, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          Dear sweet brother in the no I state😊 saying Love U means nothing but my expression of gratitude 😊😊😊.I also told U (love you) in the previous article which U may have overlooked.I used to follow avyakt7 before his change to Ananda searching for the truth of bk.(e.g. 5000 years , repeat cycle.etc.etc)where I got not so convincing answers😊) but that was a required stage and is a part of my journey If not I wouldn’t have reached my present stage . I Like it when you spoke about existing before existence and outside the 3 world’s (egg shaped figure in bk gyan.😊😊) I have learnt/learning many good things in bk and still love to read the daily murli and extract what is good for me.Now a days I feel myself growing on my journey, overcoming obstacles in the easiest way possible not forgetting the invisible parasite of EGO clinging to me where ever I go🤔😊Honestly speaking I’m not interested in satyug /becoming diety/Baap ka khazana etc.etc. as I am sick of all that crap😣I am satisfied with this Life enjoyed/suffered enough and am not interested in this (NOT SO INTERESTING DRAMA) as Gayatri ben put it.😊😊…Just curious to know as to HOW I CAME INTO EXISTENCE 🤔 🤔 when I see the beauty of nature and it’s precision a thought comes that there has to be an intelligent designer behind all these things. ( a computer CANNOT assemble on its own unless there is an intelligent designer 🤔🤔?? and our human body is more sophisticated than the most sophisticated computer.😊and finally going into non existence doesn’t matter as there wouldn’t be a curious mind to desire anything…🤔🤔🤔for me that, is the NO I state 😊😊😊…/ Have a desire free and egoless journey and wish me the same. Also waiting for Anandas juicy carrots which makes my journey interesting…..Love U too 😊😊😊

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          • Dinesh C 11:44 AM on November 5, 2017 Permalink | Reply

            Best to you Joseph, your so many similes in every reply remind me of the Romeo from Romeo and Juliet, wish you all the best.
            HOW I CAME INTO EXISTENCE, My experience says that silence can give you an answer for this. You know what silence I am talking about! 🙂
            And just a question from my side, if there is a designer of this existence, who designed that designer of the existence??
            Perhaps you will have to start one more journey to find the designer of the designer! And if you don’t find the designer of the designer!! you may conclude that the design of the designer may not have a designer!! Don’t get confused because of usage of so many “Designer” words 😛

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            • Christopher joseph 1:18 PM on November 5, 2017 Permalink | Reply

              Sweet brother, is the silence you are talking about give you the answer as to how you came into existence🤔? as I am curious to know.For me being Non existent will end my curiosity (I think that is the silence U R talking about😊for it doesn’t matter to me.as being Non existent in a way is liberation from life which is my highest priority. 😊( not liberation in life bk talks about as you have face birth and ‘re-birth forever.🤔😊

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              • Dinesh C 12:46 AM on November 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

                Answers used to matter so much in the period before I came in contact with Ahnanda and Osho, and answers were important even after I started exploring both of them from serious point of view, but now the experience of those answers is what I am seeking, although the AWARENESS while going through those experiences is still lacking 🙂
                One more thing to say here, Ahnanda and Osho both are unique in theirs point of view, I was a stupid and a fool to consider them as similar or different 🙂
                Om shanti 🙂

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                • Christopher joseph 1:02 AM on November 7, 2017 Permalink

                  You are neither a fool nor a stupid if you remember you came into existence as a pure and unbiased/ conscious being.🤔😊

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 11:17 AM on September 28, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Understanding the Cycle of time from an unlimited way 

    For those non-Brahma Kumaris readers; it is my experience that time is cyclical and repetitive, just like Brahma Kumaris teaches. This is not a belief for me, it is an experience. Thus, predestination is the outcome of that cyclical time: Fortune telling is possible and it could be very accurate to the point of knowing your day and time of death.  

    The “I” does not like that “concept,” for the “I” likes “free-will.” However, The cycle of time also shows that there is no “I.” Why? If everything repeats, what is that which “I” am doing out of my “own volition”? It is better said: It is done through “me.” But that is not completely accurate… 🙂

    Paradoxically, the teachings from Brahma Kumaris about the cycle of time are limited by the presence of the “I.”

    If we could grasp that this famous “I” exists in a particular consciousness but in another it doesn’t, then we are ahead from the limited understanding of the cycle of time.

    We are, but we are not. That is the main difficulty to understand. For an intellectual, that is illogical, it is not reasonable.

    The “I” exists but it doesn’t. When the “I” exists in our consciousness, then there is time (past, present and future) for the point of reference is the “I” NOW. Note, that movement in Life is constant, so “now” is not possible strictly speaking.
    When the “I” exists, there is predestination and free will; as both concepts deal with the ability of the “I” to act. There is that duality.

    When there is “I,” it is hard to understand how Life, the Drama, could be eternally repetitive.
    That “I” invents Success and Failure. Guilt and Pride. Nevertheless, it is contradictory for in a predestined Drama, there is no “I” that could act with his own volition: It is merely a script performed by someone. That one is compelled to act in a certain way. Thus, how is it possible for Brahma Kumaris to teach about “making effort” to “save yourself”? That is the catch.
    That is why, despite the fact of predestination, Brahma Kumaris supports the idea of free will: We make our “choices.” 🙂

    When the “I” is asleep, ignorant of the different forces influencing his activities… what kind of “choice” is that?

    Brainy individuals, someone who is stuck in their own mind; may not like the “concept” of predestination and the eternally repeating cycle of time.
    After all, that “nonsense” is not supported by science. The “I” thrives in his “free will” even though that free will, is mere conditioning for 99% of the “free” people in the world today.

    When “we move” into a different space of consciousness, little by little we could observe that there is nothing static that we could call “I.” We can put layers of traditions, social conventions and moral values into that “I” to make out of him, something static, unmovable, even permanent…. The “I” loves that!

    Everything that exists in the physical realm is cyclical, for it is in continuous change (Life is change.) How many permutations change can have? Many for sure, but it is bound to repeat itself.

    It is that repetition what makes “someone” eternal…
    Eternity is already “here.” Because we don’t perceive it, we look for it, we believe in eternal things only in the afterlife, etc.

    When the “I” is not, then time is not. If time is not, what is there? Eternity.
    But yet, we look for “salvation.” In the Brahma Kumaris world, someone believes that “he will be saved” if he experiences a particular “age” such as the Golden age.
    That is not accurate, for that “salvation” will finish as the cycle will move on. It is a matter of “time.” 🙂  Everyone has different experiences, none “better” than others, as one experience calls for another, automatically: Peace calls for war and war, for peace.  Different experiences, but complementary of each other in the world of duality.

    Someone who has the ability to see the future, is also seeing the past. Thus, past and future are the same thing in a cyclical view of time, and as expressed above, the “now” the present is not. No past, no present , no future.  What is there then?  However, there are times when “telling the truth” about the future is counterproductive to the evolution of a person and sometimes, it is important and even necessary, according to the “Drama.”( Unlimited vision.)

    A Being of light, could tell the difference for he is unlimited, a fortune teller; cannot.
    When we realize about our own nothingness, the mental concepts such as predestination and free will, could go out of our system for in the “unlimited,” there are no “good or bad” experiences; but only experiences which will help us in our evolution.
    As the Brahma Kumaris teaches: The Drama (Life) is beneficial. Even though many do not understand that, and want to DO something to be “saved.”

    For the common good.

     
  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:00 AM on May 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , cycle of time, eternally repeating cycle, , , , spinning the discuss   

    Spinning the discuss of self-realization 

    “The more you spin the discus of self-realization and inspire others to do that, the higher the status you will claim.” (5/5/17)

    What is the meaning of “Spinning the discuss of self-realization”?

    Do you think is just about DOING a mental drill such as: “I am a BK, then an angel and then a deity?”

    Do you believe that by repeating this drill 108 times every day, you will “improve” or self-realize?

    Are you compelled to follow these directions because “you” will get a “high status”?

    To DO as above only reveals an infantile consciousness. Nothing wrong with that. It is a beginning, but please don’t push the envelope by believing that this is the “truth” and “you” have it, or the “only method.”

    Please consider this. “You” know that in the cycle of time “you” have had many roles, many “I’s “going through the eternally repeating cycle.
    Who are “YOU”?  Do you see that?  You may say a “soul” but the container is not “YOU” the consciousness.

    You are/ may be a BK “now.” That is a fact. An angel, a deity… those are beliefs. However, you know that you will be a BK again and for that to happen many other roles, good and bad; right or wrong, had to be performed before reaching the role of a BK.

    Did you make any choices in the past roles to get to the BK role? Did you plan anything or it just happened to “YOU”?

    Do you see that “YOU” only ARE something when “YOU” identify with a transient role? Do you see that all roles are transient?
    Who are “YOU”?

    Nothing specific, but every role, everything…. Don’t forget, there is no “I” choosing a role.

    When you ARE nothing but everything, would you be interested in gaining a high status? When you ARE nothing but everything, would you be interested in spinning the discus?

    “You” are self-realized. Others mingling with you would be inspired for there is no identification with anything and openness to Life  as that is “you.” A “high status” may be waiting… but not for “YOU.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh 2:40 PM on May 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I remember starting this pratice …initially u start this for 2 to 3 minutes…then a Bhrama Kumari doing same for many years guides u doing swadarshan chakra for 15 minutes…but i wonder about one thing…what if i never came in golden age n silver age.. still i m spending 7.5 minutes in some kind of hallucination to make myself feel like a deity…but when i eat hakka sheshwan noodles…i feel more than a deity and that too for more than 7.5 minutes with reality…i know it’s kinda funny but just trying to differentiate hallucination n reality… 🙂

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    • Mark 2:23 AM on May 26, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Have you any advice for people who cannot go to a centre and must practice alone?
      I have been practicing for just over a month but live in China, where I know of no centres or gatherings of BK brothers and sisters. I am reading the daily murli and getting so much drishti from it I’m making notes from each murli. Is this right? It’s a lonely business and I’m not experienced enough to open a centre or gathering. Any advice would be appreciated on being a lone BK in China.

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      • ahnanda 12:08 PM on May 26, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for your question, Mark. It will be answered in an article next Tuesday. In the meantime, if you have the desire, could you share how did you become a BK? Your English is pretty good. Are you in China temporarily? Thanks.

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        • Mark 7:40 PM on May 30, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          Hi Ahnanda, I was lucky enough to go to the Sheffield BK centre in the UK before I came to China to teach and I am in Beijing. We are able to get BK sites through a VPN where I work. It’s lovely to make contact.

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 7:00 AM on April 27, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , cycle of time, , , , repeating cycle, repeating kalpa,   

    Going beyond the repetition 

    Last article pointed out some shortcomings of disclosing “knowledge” to individuals.

    The cycle of time could be a painful “truth” for some when disclosed in Brahma Kumaris classes. The palliative medicine is “Baba has said 75% happiness 25% unhappiness.”
    Very few realize the core of the Brahma Kumaris method: The significance of the “I.”
    It is that “I” that most individuals perceive as a static, unchanged entity the “true” Maya. This “I” is only “real” at one level of consciousness. The Brahma Kumaris method is effective in increasing this “I” for the follower’s awareness.

    There is never a point in our lives when a static entity which we call “I” exists.  Even though it is easy to demonstrate this by just looking at the mirror every day, our awareness does not go deep into our consciousness to observe those changes in our Life journey. Our memories are what binds together the illusion of being the same person, the same “I.” Without memories, what can we call “I”?

    Please contemplate the last phrase.
    Memories are necessary in this lifetime, so we can play the game in society: “I earned 20K per year, 10 years ago. I earn 35K now.” We call that “improvement.” Who is improving? “I.” Nevertheless, the person now and the one from 10 years ago, both are different, they have different consciousness. Memories are the only link.

    That memory becomes a source of fear in Life when we believe that “I” will experience the same thing again, but the one before the experience is different than the one after the experience.

    We ARE not the same. Yes, the soul is there as an empty container, but the movie giving us consciousness will be totally different. That is why, there is no one in this Life going to Paradise in the future. Am “I” going to heaven? NO! “I” will not be there. The soul maybe there, but it will have a complete different “software,” different consciousness. Is that “I,” ME?
    NO.

    When we “die” and take another body; typically, we will not remember our last Life. Have you noticed that?  Lack of memory means newness.
    That is how newness will appear “again,” in that empty container which we call “soul.” Therefore, after a cycle there is no memory of what we went through in this Lifetime. Where is that “I” that will go through the same exact experience then?
    Nowhere, but in our imagination now.

    We are so attached to those memories which are giving us identity. 

    To explain the cycle of time could be hurtful without the understanding and hopefully experience of “No-I.”
    That is why it was said in another article: Who are you?
    I AM and I AM NOT. Both at the same time.
    However, “No-I” is not part of the Brahma Kumaris curricula, for their method is meant to increase the “I.”

     
    For the common good.

     
  • avyakt7- New Generation 9:54 AM on February 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , cycle of time, , , ,   

    "Choice" to come down the ladder 

    The “eternally predestined Drama” means a plot which allows for Life to recycle itself. Observe that nothing in it can be labeled as “bad” or “good” but rather necessary. However,  there is this idea that “I” can change things the way “I” want to, based on an understanding of human or “godly” morality. 

    Who is that “I”?
    “You” have been “coming down the ladder” without DOING something purposely for it to happen.  “You” were not AWARE. “You” were “good” and turned out to be “bad” after a while. Why should you DO a thing to “go up the ladder”?

    A BK follower may say: “That is entropy”.
    That is Jagdish’s terminology, but entropy means “gradual decline into chaos”; however, in the Drama things go back to the way it was before, thus every moment is “eternal”.
    How do we explain this?
    Because the Drama is a circle. It is not a line. For the travelers of the circle there is no “up or down”, there is merely movement around it.
    Because of that, the word “entropy” may not be accurate.

    The conventional idea is that “If I am going down the ladder, I need to make effort to go up”.
    That is the belief behind “effort making.” “I make effort.”
    Nevertheless, in Life what goes down will go up… all by itself… It is in the Drama!

    Going “up” or “down” has no morality in the circle of Life. It is part of the human experience. However, most have agreed that “going up” is “good” and “going down” is “bad”. The efforts of the “I” are needed to remain “up” and resist going down.

    That is the “maya”.

    Someone will ask: “So what DO I DO? To let myself be pulled by Life?”

    Please understand. Whatever “you” consider to BE “you” is Life itself.
    Any decisions “you” make based on ideals are just that, ideals.

    BapDada has taught to BKs in the Avyakt Murlis about “being a detached observer.”
    We can only talk about being a detached observer because there is a predestined Drama. Otherwise, we cannot. Otherwise, there is the “I” who will be responsible and accountable for not DOING the “right thing”.

    A detached observer appears as a consequence of assimilation of experiences. If there is rejection of a particular experience, then we are not being detached. There is a “button” being pushed.

    The Drama is a movie. Enjoy it! That has been the message for a long time now. Your capacity to enjoy Life is “good karma” but that is hindered by the conditioned mind. Therefore, observe that which we call mind, get acquainted with it. It is not about judging, but to be open to discover what it is.

    “You” are the movie of Life. “You” want to change what is in the movie. However: How can “you” change a movie that has already been made?

    The illusion is in the one who wants to change the movie.
    Yes, in the movie you eat chocolate ice cream. It happens that you like that ice cream. You call that “my choice” but you never think about how that liking for chocolate ice cream came to you. It is easier to say: “It is my choice, my liking” but all your choices come from what the movie offers and the conditioning of previous experiences, which you had no “control of”.
    Do you see that?

    Observe the movie, enjoy it… That is all. You can play the game of “making choices” and feel ‘good’ or ‘bad’ or guilty/innocent… all the dualities, but now you know that there is no “true”choice, for there is no “I.” However, if you are not AWARE, a big “I” will be growing and choices/decisions will appear as being “mine.” But do not worry…That is not “bad” or “good”. It is necessary. Become AWARE of it for any change to happen “naturally” and not through following a commandment or a religious dogma. That is artificial… but necessary for many.
    The movie moves through stories. You are part of that story…. But your story depends on other connected stories. A what point then, you could separate from everything else?

    Only in your mind.

    For the common good.

     
    • Anil Kumar 10:13 PM on February 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Yes Avyakt7-NG, there is nothing new in the drama.

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      • Dinesh Chawla 9:32 AM on February 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Hey Ahndy, your article on “What is awareness?” was the MOST GREAT … I mean just Woooww… don’t have any more words for it. Thank you so much for writing that article.

        Well I cam here on BK page for a small question, could you please explain that thing in your way, I will really appreciate that… 🙂

        Ok so it is about taking with Shiv Baba in paramdham, we have done that .. I mean I had done that while I wa son that path. We go there by converting ourselfs into a point form of soul and visualize baba in front of us and then we both star talking… like

        Soul: Good morning Baba
        Supreme Soul: Good morning my sweet child
        Soul: Baba I am not feeling good today
        Supreme soul: Why what happened?
        Soul: Someone said something really hurtful in office, and I am a little angry on that guy.
        Supreme soul: Oh sweatheart, that guy was just playing a role in teh drama of your life and in teh cosmic drama too. And that too according to his own sanskars. Forgive that soul and move on child.
        Soul: Oh baba, you are so great you freed me from anger I had on that guy by giving this answer. Thank you baba, now I have a lot of work, going down on stage back and will see you soon, love you baba.

        Well that was my personal example in my own way. But my question is “Are all the replies from Baba are from my own mind and not from Baba, because we feel that when we do? That we are talking with our own mind and not with any supreme being.

        Now sister Shivani has said this in one of her lecture of “Practice Spirituality”… the answer from baba will be something against your own thinking, something like dude how can baba say this, but you need to do it… 🙂

        Please through some light on this, it will help us a lot.
        Regards,
        Dinesh C

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 8:20 AM on January 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , cycle of time, Eternal repetitive drama, , how many years for satyuga?, satyuga when?,   

    Questions on Satyuga and the eternal cycle 

    Om shanti.. brother..
    When does this world will transform into satyuga…what your perspective over this..how many years remaining…??

    Thank you for your question.
    If I’d say “tomorrow,” would you believe me? Probably not. How about next month?
    Maybe, maybe not. How about next year? Do you believe me?
    Just to make sure that you will believe me, let me add 10 years to my answer.
    No doubt in 11 years.
    Now what? Are you going to “make effort”? Knowing that transformation will happen in 11 years should give you motivation, right?

    Oh! So you don’t believe me that satyuga will happen in 11 years… so when do you believe? You may need to ask a senior to confirm your belief with their belief and then tell me that my belief was “wrong” for their belief should be “right.”

    We could go on… what is the point? That is what I mean by living in the mind. It is about just beliefs which we make “real.”

    Best to you.

    Since the drama is cyclic in nature, you cannot escape from it, there is no way, if I would request Baba that I don’t want to come in iron age and copper age, I only want to come in golden and silver age, he will say “Law does not hold that dude”. Because right now you are in the drama and to play your part you have to come again so no chance to obtain moksha, liberation from cycle of birth and death (My one reason of leaving BKs was this, I would like to take this topic as well with you Ahnanda in future). If we want to escape, we will have to make the drama as linear may be which happens only once. But that’s just my view, you have said in few of your articles that time is cyclic in nature.

    Thank you for your question.
    From my experience, there is no doubt that there is a cycle of time.
    If you didn’t know this, it wouldn’t matter. You will not remember it “now.”
    If you know this, it can only make you think about all the “bad” stuff that has happened to “you”; without realizing that the “good” stuff has happened as well because of the “bad.” This is called duality, and both sides come together.

    The “I” wants to escape. The “I” wants “moksha.”
    WHO ARE YOU?
    You are not your body. You are not your mind. Where are you?
    If you say “soul” or “spirit,” then why are you so concerned about suffering things that happened in this physical plane? Those things shouldn’t touch you.
    SO, here we find a dishonesty. Those who believe to be an eternal soul but yet are worried about “destruction.”

    The issue is the “I.” Otherwise, there is just a movie. Watch it. That is a “detached observer.” You are eternal. You will come back again as you are one more time… Dinesh. (Label identifying the manifestation of a role.)
    The “I” will feel sad, desperate, hopeless by knowing this… just because the movie is not going according to his wishes, desires, wants… but yet the “I” does not exist.
    That is the wonder. Maya.

    If you left the BK movement because of this belief in the Drama, you may want to consider to go back; for as far as I am concerned; that is true…. Time is cyclical, although it appears linear. Repetitive, although it appears new all the time; paradoxical, although it appears logical.
    Even though there is death, there is none for you will come back exactly as you are now.
    Even though there is suffering; there is pleasure with the same intensity. How do you know suffering, if you don’t experience pleasure? Both come together, although they appear separate.
    There is no “I,” although it appears that there is.
    That is a “reason” why “I” am not a BK now.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 12:15 PM on January 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Oh Ahnanda, you always write really well dude… 🙂

      I had many reasons to leave that organisation, one can’t escape from cycle is just one of them, please follow few more reasons now:

      First reason: Although everything seems so good and clean and fresh for BKs, but they are people with a lot of bias and prejudice. After following them for almost three years, I told the most senior sister there that I want to completely surrender myself now, I was quite dedicated, the answer she gave me was “ I haven’t done the seva (service) like other brothers, just because those other brothers donate a lot of money, and dedicate more time than me, does that mean I am not as truthful as they are towards Baba. But I still continued for more three years, because ultimately in gyan we have to consider drama as well.

      Second reason: I went for doing seva one day with a sister in a nearby garden, she is very elder sister and surrendered at the center, in the middle all of a sudden, a small beggar child, so innocent, he was hardly 7 to 8 years old, touched her and asked for money, as beggars do, she got angry on that beggar, I can’t consider this as drama now, come on.

      Third reason: Again the same, BK sisters do get angry but in utterly sweet way, one can easily make out that. One day a stranger entered inside center for using washroom, and the elder sister found, she got angry on Jr sister. I will include my another reason here only, they threw one sister out of center (Yes, it will be called throwing, because she was surrendered for many years at center) saying that she was not able to follow shreemat properly, but when I dug into the matter, I found that she fell for a guy at center, and they caught her. (I am not trying to disrespect them, but just stating my experience).

      Fourth reason: They are not truthful people, they force and encourage their followers for divorce from their spouse. Apart from this, Baba’s gyan won’t help me to understand my sexuality, I am a homosexual.
      There are many… but please note this again that I didn’t leave them because I found Osho or Ahnanda, I simply wanted to be on my personal journey.

      Fifth reason: The gyan is quite self-contradictory, become “icha matram avdya” means reach to a state of desirelessness, but there are many desires on this path, desire to churn knowledge, desire to increase the experience of yoga with Baba, desire to inculcate every dharna with you, desire to do a lot seva, whatever, one may say these are good desires, making you head towards something good, but a Desire is Desire, you can’t reach “icha matram avdya” with these four subjects.

      And regarding “I” does not exist is the teachings of Gautham Buddha, explained 2500 years ago, it’s called reality of “anatta”, atta means soul and anatta means no soul at all.

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      • ahnanda 4:26 PM on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        So many “reasons” dealing with others and what others DO. Your fifth reason is a “good” reason though, at least in my book. 🙂

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        • Dinesh Chawla 2:13 AM on January 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          Ahnanda, you are a cutie pie bro 🙂

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  • avyakt7- New Generation 10:47 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: 108, , , BK cycle, , cycle of time, , , lakshmi and narayan,   

    The core of Brahma Kumaris gyan. 

    Looking back from my actual perspective of Life, the piece of Knowledge which has had significance in my Life, is the cycle of time.

    As a matter of fact, from my view it is the only “knowledge” with significance.
    The cycle of time is not a Brahma Kumaris discovery. It has existed in Hinduism, although with a different take, duration, stories, etc.

    A deeper understanding of it, will take someone into what Zen, Taoism and even Tantra are explaining in their own ways.
    The “unlimited” movie is all that exists, and it already has a reel of scenes which have been already shot in “advance,” which are always running.  We could perceive things as the “I” separated from the movie as many religions including Brahma Kumaris perceive, AND/OR we can see that the “I” as separation is an illusion.  Have you heard this terminology? To BE nothing, to DO nothing, to witness, to BE everything there is…. The Drama. 

    Who am I? That question when answered honestly does not have an answer. Yes, it is the soul, right? No. That is a BELIEF. For most is only about replacing the word “I” with the word “soul.” To say “I am a soul” does not mean that I have honestly felt, that I know out of my own experience.  If you knew, you wouldn’t be a BK follower, because the “goal” would have been “achieved”. Soul conscious.   The belief is that by DOING or not DOING things, soul consciousness will arrive to you.

    Because the movie is a “game,” to enjoy that experience is the natural outcome of “understanding” deep gyan, which is the core of Tantra.

    The importance and emphasis of the “I” in Brahma Kumaris knowledge, may be a source of distortion.
    It is “Baba and I,” “Mera Baba,” the “I” is always there, even in Heaven; thus; the need of that “I” to DO things to make things happen and fight with all forces of evil or Maya or anything which comes in front, to obtain the goal, the golden carrot; which is obtained with much denial of what our current Life offers to the “I,” for those things are “impure,” and “I” am becoming “pure.”
    Without a doubt that is a great setup to observe the ego in action. Unfortunately it is not like that for in that state of consciousness, awareness is not developed yet.

    Baba needs to tell me what to DO, how to DO it and WHEN to DO it.
    “I” am totally dependent on his instructions. “I” am afraid of making “mistakes,” for “I” want to be “right.”

    If that “I” is not seen for what it is, I am afraid the BK experience will only serve as a way to further enhance the ego. Either way, it is good.

    Many Brahma Kumaris followers are beginning their “spiritual careers” by understanding the mind.
    I recall that avyakt7 was a great “churner” of “knowledge.”
    To figure out the whereabouts of Lakshmi and Narayan, the Advanced party and all the secrets behind the 108 and the first day of the Golden age, and then to go into the dinosaurs alley and their existence in the “Copper age” or lack of it, all of that has no value for me at this time.
    Zero, Nada, Zilch.

    However, I can understand why many Brahma Kumaris brothers and sister are still using their minds to figure those things out. I was there.
    You may get the reputation of “best churner,” and be compared with Jagdish Bhai nevertheless; all of that is pointless in self-realization, but yet another good source of ego.

    To go into the significance of the cycle of time and its repetition, is to discover that the separation of the “I” from the unlimited movie, is a mirage, a “big maya.” Everything is together. Everything is the movie, including “you,” the “I.”

    In order to dilute the ego, it needs to be enhanced first; and Brahma Kumaris does a pretty good job in that.

    For the common good.

     
    • Dinesh Chawla 8:50 AM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Hmm, well portrayed Ahnanda… The knowledge of drama is wonderful. But two things that make and made me feel strange and do something like “eeyyyooo (A feeling of great dislike)” after the lesson of drama are:

      All that bad stuff and immense suffering I went through since iron age and especially in this particular birth is going to happen with me again and again in every kalpa, every cycle, because my suffering in this particular birth was immense…:(
      Since the drama is cyclic in nature, you cannot escape from it, there is no way, if I would request Baba that I don’t want to come in iron age and copper age, I only want to come in golden and silver age, he will say “Law does not hold that dude”. Because right now you are in the drama and to play your part you have to come again so no chance to obtain moksha, libration from cycle of birth and death (My one reason of leaving BKs was this, I would like to take this topic as well with you Ahnanda in future). If we want to escape, we will have to make the drama as linear may be which happens only once. But that’s just my view, you have said in few of your articles that time is cyclic in nature.
      Apart from this Osho explains in one of his lecture that, do you really think that a world so called heaven where everything is considered as perfect, it will be enjoyable to live there. How boring that would be to live there without any problem, like you don’t have anything to do there, no job for survival, no business, although BKs do claim that there will be barter system there, but barter system brings a lot of problems, inequality, storage of material, and so on, so how can a world where there exist a barter system be free from emotional suffering, people won’t feel jealous or low or high when they exchange stuff in barter system!!
      He claims that hell in fact would be a more colorful place, with so many variety of people existing at same time, so many varieties of dances, will there be any dance in heaven, if yes, how many varieties? he goes on and on explain that people have been running behind heaven but you can be in heaven even if you are living in a hell world of today.

      Regards,
      Dinesh C

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      • Anil Kumar 10:12 AM on January 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        There are still some tribal societies who have no contact with modern society. They use barter system for getting their daily necessities. They enjoy their life with pristine nature. The drama has place for something at a right time.

        Thanks
        Anil Kumar

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        • avyakt7- New Generation 10:55 AM on January 12, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          That is right, Anil. The Drama has place for something at the right time. It cannot be any other way as we are all part of this marvelous movie.
          Dinesh: The article today goes into your question. I would be glad to go further into it in another article if you have further questions.

          One important thing to remember is that in the Golden age BEING is complete, full. Naturally those BEINGS are “good.” Therefore, whatever they DO is good as well. There is no greed. On the other hand, at this time for most; BEING is incomplete. This is not “bad” but just an experience of the range of experiences which always move from one extreme to the other, from completeness to incompleteness.
          There is nothing to fix, as this is the natural law; only be aware, acknowledge of who we ARE, that brings automatic change.

          Spiritually nowadays, is busy covering our BEING with DOING. Our actions look “good” in the surface but are driven by greed, whether that is to make more money or to get Paradise in the afterlife, it is the same thing.

          Bartering is not a problem. It is not “impure.” Just like sex. The issue is BEING, the type of consciousness behind the action.

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          • Dinesh Chawla 2:39 AM on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply

            Hey, this may seem a little argumentative, “There is no greed in Golden age”. Now suppose ABC BEING is a deity in golden age, sitting and eating the perfect food, as in golden age the food is going to be the Great, “they call it 56 bojan”.

            Now the ABC deity likes one food item and he wants more food item, to get more experience of those 56 bojan, my point is “subtle wanting more” is going to be there, I am sorry to disagree with Ahnanda for the first time, but after all “GREED IS GREED”.

            There is GREED in golden age as well.

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            • ahnanda 4:25 PM on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply

              Dinesh: You are assuming that deity ABC will act as “normal” people here. Greed is defined as:”intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.” THE KEYWORD IS “SELFISH.”
              If I want more food because I am legitimately hungry, that is not greed, it is hunger. If I want more food because is the last portion or someone else may take it, that is not hunger but greed.
              Greed is greed, but hunger is not greed. 🙂

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        • Dinesh Chawla 2:43 AM on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply

          Daily necessities, enjoyment with pristine nature and a place in drama is not going to free them from all sorts of sufferings forever.

          I am sorry, I have been quite argumentative in both the comments, but one can’t deny these facts. Can you Anil?

          Now may be you have a question why to get rid of all sorts of suffering for ever? Let’s see whether I am able to find that in my personal journey… 🙂

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